From: Stephen Satchell <satch@concentric.net>
To: Jonathan Lundell <jlundell@pobox.com>,
dalecki@evision.ag, "Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>
Cc: "Jakob Østergaard" <jakob@unthought.net>,
"Alex Bligh - linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>,
"Alexander Viro" <viro@math.psu.edu>,
"John Levon" <moz@compsoc.man.ac.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Daniel Phillips" <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
"Tim Jansen" <tim@tjansen.de>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:43:11 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011105133211.00bbfed0@10.1.1.42> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b80c9aab7f40@[10.128.7.49]>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011105080435.00bc7620@10.1.1.42> <200111042213.fA4MDoI229389@saturn.cs.uml.edu> <4.3.2.7.2.20011105080435.00bc7620@10.1.1.42>
At 11:58 AM 11/5/01 -0800, Jonathan Lundell wrote:
>Either too coarse or too fine, often enough, when we're talking about a
>semi-independent module. Consider, though, a more legitimate non-bloating
>use of a version field. Rather than try to support all versions, use it to
>determine whether the two ends of the communication channel are
>compatible, and fail gracefully because of the incompatible version. Tell
>the user to update the app, or whatever.
I have software out in the field that has been around for more than ten
years. Some of it has been maintenance-free (other than the
every-other-fortnight bug report that requires a fix) because the
underlying operating system didn't change. Some of it has been a
nightmare, requiring changes for each OS release and in some cases with
each sub-release in order to keep the feature bloat from knocking out the
functionality of the program.
Unlike many of you, my client base doesn't upgrade on a whim. They stick
with what works. That means all my software has to be able to run up and
down the version tree, and I have a real problem maintaining parallel
versions of code. In Linux, I have people on 2.0.34 still. I have people
running some of my software on old versions of Ultrix on hardware that
hasn't seen sales for over a decade. I just found out that software I
wrote 20 years ago is STILL in use, and customers were inquiring if I was
available to make changes!
And then there is the problem of who pays for my time to make the app
update. I don't charge people for updates as a rule -- that rule may have
to change for my Linux apps if this ill-thought-out idea goes into the
kernel. I expend enough effort trying to keep up with the crap coming out
of Redmond and Cupertino.
Apologies for the vent, but I just swatted another bug caused by an
undocumented change in Windows 2000 that nailed one of my apps but good. I
shudder to think what XP is going to look like when my clients start
thinking of "upgrading" their hardware and have XP foisted on them...
Satch
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-05 21:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 258+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-11-01 10:32 [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Rusty Russell
2001-11-01 10:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-01 16:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-01 17:06 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-01 12:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-01 18:34 ` James Simmons
2001-11-02 1:42 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 1:56 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-02 11:44 ` Padraig Brady
2001-11-02 9:11 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 12:39 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-02 11:57 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 13:55 ` Keith Owens
2001-11-02 15:08 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-04 5:36 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-02 12:46 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-11-02 2:20 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 13:59 ` Tim Jansen
[not found] ` <20011103103106.7eb6098b.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2001-11-03 11:47 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-03 23:44 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-04 1:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 2:08 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 12:30 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 13:36 ` Daniel Kobras
2001-11-04 14:13 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 15:33 ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:05 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-04 16:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:30 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:45 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 17:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:41 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 17:54 ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-04 20:45 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 17:59 ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:31 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:04 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:24 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 19:45 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:52 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:06 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:12 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 21:20 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 21:42 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 22:13 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 15:58 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 23:00 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 13:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 17:13 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-11-05 16:38 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 18:39 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 18:28 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 18:40 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-05 21:03 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 21:58 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 22:51 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:59 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-05 23:35 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:41 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 19:49 ` dank
2001-11-06 22:22 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:47 ` dank
2001-11-06 23:11 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 23:39 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-07 12:45 ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 1:06 ` George Greer
2001-11-05 19:58 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 21:43 ` Stephen Satchell [this message]
2001-11-06 5:22 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-11-04 21:22 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-05 4:03 ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 4:05 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 4:55 ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 16:32 ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-06 6:46 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:50 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:01 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:09 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 7:23 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 14:00 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:27 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:39 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-07 1:20 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 21:14 ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-01 0:13 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-04 18:20 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:30 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:52 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:41 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:06 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 10:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:46 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 0:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 1:11 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-04 18:46 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-04 19:20 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:32 ` Dave Jones
2001-11-04 19:52 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:06 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:11 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-11 10:06 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-11 19:43 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-12 13:43 ` Pascal Schmidt
2001-11-13 12:09 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-13 14:41 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-04 22:09 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-11-04 17:48 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:02 ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:34 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:59 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:19 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:24 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:41 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:55 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:13 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 20:11 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:47 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 21:02 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:53 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 11:04 ` zmwillow
2001-11-05 13:41 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 20:49 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:01 ` Ben Greear
[not found] ` <20011105223413.U11619@pasky.ji.cz>
[not found] ` <160rly-1tl3XUC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com>
2001-11-05 22:07 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06 7:25 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 8:21 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06 8:34 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:43 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 17:01 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 19:55 ` PROPOSAL: kernfs (was: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc st Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 18:56 ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]) Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06 19:38 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 20:12 ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 20:58 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2001-11-06 21:43 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-06 22:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 0:33 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 7:20 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 8:07 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 17:24 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 17:22 ` Blue Lang
2001-11-07 19:21 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-11 10:27 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-08 0:47 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-08 18:53 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-08 21:28 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-09 5:15 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-19 19:22 ` bill davidsen
2001-11-07 0:13 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 0:40 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 1:10 ` Ricky Beam
[not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111061947540.17287-100000@sweetums.bluetronic.ne t>
2001-11-07 1:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 11:32 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 12:35 ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 23:53 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 22:24 ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-11-07 23:15 ` Phil Howard
2001-11-06 21:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-06 21:45 ` Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 22:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-06 22:28 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:33 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:53 ` Patrick Mochel
2001-11-06 22:52 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:46 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 22:50 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-07 0:17 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 22:53 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-11-05 16:49 ` [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 20:46 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:04 ` Greg KH
2001-11-05 22:19 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 0:12 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-05 3:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:48 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-06 10:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 15:46 ` Theodore Tso
2001-11-07 23:35 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111041141100.14150-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-04 19:53 ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 23:06 Craig Thrall
2001-11-04 23:39 ` Jakob Østergaard
[not found] <20011104214229Z17052-23341+37@humbolt.nl.linux.org>
2001-11-04 23:42 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 0:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-24 17:42 RFC: booleans and the kernel Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 18:22 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-24 18:33 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:34 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:46 ` Ingo Oeser
2002-01-24 19:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:06 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:23 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:25 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:35 ` John Levon
2002-01-24 20:15 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 20:39 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 21:55 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 21:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 22:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 22:13 ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:53 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:59 ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 23:27 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 6:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 8:00 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-25 10:51 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 16:11 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-01-26 7:22 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 7:48 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 23:49 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-27 11:27 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 23:09 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 1:16 ` John Levon
2002-01-25 22:47 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 21:24 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:31 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:19 ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:38 ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 22:44 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 3:52 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2002-01-25 20:39 ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-01-25 23:07 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-25 19:02 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-27 1:33 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-26 2:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-01-27 11:18 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 22:30 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 22:36 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 6:36 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] ` <200201250900.g0P8xoL10082@home.ashavan.org.>
2002-01-29 6:36 ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-25 21:43 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:50 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 15:07 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-01-25 15:21 ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-25 16:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 11:07 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-24 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-26 10:22 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-25 2:00 ` Erik Andersen
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