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From: "Jakob Østergaard" <jakob@unthought.net>
To: Kai Henningsen <kaih@khms.westfalen.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:43:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011111204305.A16792@unthought.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0111041502390.21449-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <viro@math.psu.edu> <20011104205248.Q14001@unthought.net> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0111041502390.21449-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <20011104211118.U14001@unthought.net> <8Ce2D-PXw-B@khms.westfalen.de>
In-Reply-To: <8Ce2D-PXw-B@khms.westfalen.de>; from kaih@khms.westfalen.de on Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 12:06:00PM +0200

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 12:06:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> jakob@unthought.net (Jakob ¥stergaard)  wrote on 04.11.01 in <20011104211118.U14001@unthought.net>:
...
> >
> > A regex won't tell me if  345987 is a signed or unsigned 32-bit or 64-bit
> > integer,  or if it's a double.
> 
> You do not *need* that information at runtime. If you think you do, you're  
> doing something badly wrong.

I would prefer to have the information at compile-time, so that I would get
a compiler error if I did something wrong.

But that's unrealistic - some counter could change it's type from kernel
release to kernel release.

Now, my program needs to deal with the data, perform operations on it,
so naturally I need to know what kind of data I'm dealing with.  Most likely,
my software will *expect* some certain type, but if I have no way of verifying
that my assumption is correct, I will lose sooner or later...

> 
> I cannot even imagine what program would want that information.

Uh. Any program using /proc data ?

> 
> > Sure, implement arbitrary precision arithmetic in every single app out there
> > using /proc....
> 
> Bullshit. Implement whatever arithmetic is right *for your problem*. And  
> notice when the value you get doesn't fit so you can tell the user he  
> needs a newer version. That's all.
> 
> There's no reason whatsoever to care what data type the kernel used.

So my program runs for two months and then aborts with an error because
some counter just happened to no longer fit into whatever type I assumed
it was ?

Come on - you just can't code like that...

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-11 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 258+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-01 10:32 [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Rusty Russell
2001-11-01 10:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-01 16:49   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-01 17:06   ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-01 12:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-01 18:34   ` James Simmons
2001-11-02  1:42 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02  1:56   ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-02 11:44     ` Padraig Brady
2001-11-02  9:11   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 12:39     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-02 11:57       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 13:55       ` Keith Owens
2001-11-02 15:08         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-04  5:36       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-02 12:46     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-11-02  2:20 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 13:59   ` Tim Jansen
     [not found]     ` <20011103103106.7eb6098b.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2001-11-03 11:47       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-03 23:44       ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-04  1:40   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04  2:08     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 12:30       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 13:36         ` Daniel Kobras
2001-11-04 14:13           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 15:33             ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:05               ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-04 16:31               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:30                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:45               ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 17:28                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:41                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 17:54                     ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-04 20:45                       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 17:59                     ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:31                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:40                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:04                           ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:24                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 19:45                               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:52                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:06                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:01                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:12                                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 21:20                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 21:42                                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 22:13                                     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:23                                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 15:58                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30                                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 23:00                                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 13:47                                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 17:13                                               ` Gerhard Mack
2001-11-05 16:38                                       ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 18:39                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 18:28                                           ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 18:40                                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-05 21:03                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 21:58                                                 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 22:51                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:59                                                     ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-05 23:35                                                       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:41                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:49                                                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 19:49                                                       ` dank
2001-11-06 22:22                                                         ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:47                                                           ` dank
2001-11-06 23:11                                                             ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 23:39                                                             ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-07 12:45                                                           ` Remco Post
2001-11-07  1:06                                                         ` George Greer
2001-11-05 19:58                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 21:43                                       ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06  5:22                                         ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-11-04 21:22                                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-05  4:03                                 ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05  4:05                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05  4:55                                   ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 16:32                                     ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-06  6:46                                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:50                               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:01                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:09                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06  7:23                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 14:00                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:27                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:35                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:39                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-07  1:20                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 21:14                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-01  0:13                           ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-04 18:20                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:30                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:52                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:18                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:41                       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:06                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 10:28                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:46                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06  0:54                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06  1:11                             ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-04 18:46                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-04 19:20                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:32                       ` Dave Jones
2001-11-04 19:52                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:06                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:11                             ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-11 10:06                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-11 19:43                             ` Jakob Østergaard [this message]
2001-11-12 13:43                               ` Pascal Schmidt
2001-11-13 12:09                                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-13 14:41                               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-04 22:09                     ` Luigi Genoni
2001-11-04 17:48                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:02                   ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:34                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:59                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:19                       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:24                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:41                           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:55                             ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:13                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 20:11                                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:47                                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 21:02                                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:53                               ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 11:04               ` zmwillow
2001-11-05 13:41               ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 20:49                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:01                   ` Ben Greear
     [not found]                   ` <20011105223413.U11619@pasky.ji.cz>
     [not found]                     ` <160rly-1tl3XUC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com>
2001-11-05 22:07                       ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06  7:25                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06  8:21                   ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06  8:34                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:43                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 17:01                       ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 19:55               ` PROPOSAL: kernfs (was: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc st Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 18:56               ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]) Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06 19:38                 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 20:12                 ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 20:58                   ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2001-11-06 21:43                     ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-06 22:14                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07  0:33                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  7:20                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07  8:07                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 17:24                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 17:22                               ` Blue Lang
2001-11-07 19:21                                 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-11 10:27                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-08  0:47                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-08 18:53                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-08 21:28                                   ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-09  5:15                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-19 19:22                                   ` bill davidsen
2001-11-07  0:13                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07  0:40                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  1:10                         ` Ricky Beam
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111061947540.17287-100000@sweetums.bluetronic.ne t>
2001-11-07  1:17                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 11:32                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 12:35                       ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 23:53                         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 22:24                       ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-11-07 23:15                         ` Phil Howard
2001-11-06 21:24                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-06 21:45                     ` Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 22:06                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-06 22:28                     ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:33                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:42                         ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:49                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:53                           ` Patrick Mochel
2001-11-06 22:52                             ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:46                         ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 22:50                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-07  0:17                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 22:53                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-11-05 16:49     ` [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 20:46       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:04         ` Greg KH
2001-11-05 22:19           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05  0:12   ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-05  3:34     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:48       ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-06 10:25         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 15:46         ` Theodore Tso
2001-11-07 23:35         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111041141100.14150-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-04 19:53 ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 23:06 Craig Thrall
2001-11-04 23:39 ` Jakob Østergaard
     [not found] <20011104214229Z17052-23341+37@humbolt.nl.linux.org>
2001-11-04 23:42 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05  0:10   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-24 17:42 RFC: booleans and the kernel Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 18:22 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-24 18:33   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:34   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:43     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:47       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:46     ` Ingo Oeser
2002-01-24 19:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:06     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:14       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:23       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:25         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:35           ` John Levon
2002-01-24 20:15     ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:21   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 20:39     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 21:55       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 21:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 22:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 22:13         ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:33       ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:53         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:59         ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 23:27           ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25  6:13             ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25  8:00               ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-25 10:51               ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 16:11               ` Olivier Galibert
2002-01-26  7:22               ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  7:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 23:49                   ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-27 11:27                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 23:09           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  1:16             ` John Levon
2002-01-25 22:47         ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 21:24       ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:31         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:19           ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:38             ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 22:44               ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  3:52                 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2002-01-25 20:39                   ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-01-25 23:07                   ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-25 19:02                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-27  1:33                   ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-26  2:56                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-01-27 11:18                   ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 22:30             ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 22:36               ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25  6:36               ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found]                 ` <200201250900.g0P8xoL10082@home.ashavan.org.>
2002-01-29  6:36                   ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-25 21:43           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:50             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 15:07                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-01-25 15:21                   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-25 16:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 11:07         ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-24 22:44   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-26 10:22     ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-25  2:00 ` Erik Andersen

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