From: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:46:09 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021020154609.GD696@phunnypharm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3DB1EAAB.30401@pobox.com>
On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 07:28:43PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Larry McVoy wrote:
> >I have no problem with the GPL, I think it's a fine license if your
> >goal is to have things done out in the open with no hoarding. A great
> >license, in fact. But I have a big problem with this constant harping
> >on the term "freedom". The GPL absolutely positively does not grant me
> >all the rights I want, it took substantial portions of my freedom away.
> >I am not free to use GPL source in any way I wish and neither is anyone
> >else.
> >
> >I'm OK with you having a free license, go make one. I'm OK with you
> >sticking with the GPL, but then you get admit that it is not a free
> >license and stop kidding yourself and others.
>
>
> At the potential cost of getting flamed, I think it is worth pointing
> out that the FSF's copyright assignment policy on several of their
> projects is _very_ anti-freedom. You are required to relinquish all
> your rights to your contributions, in exchange for the hope that the FSF
> will protect them.
Jeff, they don't force you, they require it to be turned over to them
for inclusion in the FSF proper upstream source. Also, it doesn't mean
that you lose your rights to the original piece. You can still reuse
your own source as the copyright owner.
That doesn't stop things like egcs from happening, does it? It's not
like Apple's old license that the mere releasing of your patches to the
source requires turning over non-exclusive rights.
I really hope I didn't help this thread diminish into a licensing
flamefest.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-20 15:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14 7:00 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14 0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14 6:49 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14 7:38 ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
[not found] ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
[not found] ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 15:46 ` Ben Collins [this message]
2002-10-20 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25 0:27 ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21 0:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-22 11:12 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22 8:19 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21 0:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:51 ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21 7:51 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20 8:37 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05 ` John Jasen
2002-10-21 0:13 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22 3:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 3:38 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 5:26 ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22 5:39 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 6:09 ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22 6:12 ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 2:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21 2:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 3:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 3:42 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 9:39 ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20 1:14 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 2:00 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 2:18 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20 8:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 2:46 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 5:58 ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20 8:40 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 9:00 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20 9:06 ` David Lang
2002-10-20 9:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53 ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42 ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 8:33 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-22 20:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23 7:10 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23 7:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
[not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39 ` Russ Allbery
[not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02 ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46 ` Roman Zippel
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