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From: "Matt D. Robinson" <yakker@aparity.com>
To: Jon Portnoy <portnoy@tellink.net>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:13:35 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210201648510.13602-100000@nakedeye.aparity.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210201309120.22852-100000@cerberus.localhost>

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Jon Portnoy wrote:
|>On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Richard Stallman wrote:
|>> This is the old "We're not free unless we are `free' to deny freedom
|>> to others" argument that some (not all) advocates of the BSD license
|>> often make.  It is a word game intended to render the concept of
|>> freedom so confused that people can't think about it any more.  Once
|>> people see through this, it loses its effect.

It seems like people have lost their marbles on this issue.

Using the BSD license gives the receiver certain freedoms.  I'm all
for that -- if someone takes my BSD licensed code and never releases
modifications back to me (or anyone else), that's okay.  I chose
that license because that's what I intended and should even expect
to happen.

Using the GNU GPL means imposing your idea of freedom on others,
which in some cases I'm all for.  Either it's required of me (because
I've modified GPL code and released it) or I think that people
will benefit from being able to use it and expand upon it openly.
There's plenty of cases where that's a good thing to do.

Using a proprietary license means protecting interests, regardless
of freedoms for anything.  That's okay as well -- some people like
to earn a paycheck and/or preserve their investments.  When it
comes down to putting food on your family's table, or putting a
roof over their heads, in those cases it's the right thing to do.
That applies to the mom and pop development companies all the way
up to a company the size of Microsoft.  Sometimes it's a good thing
to be paid for you and your company's efforts.

I wish more people would stop and think about why they write code
in the first place.  If you write code to make a living, or write
code to help others (like a volunteer might do), or if you write
code just because you feel like it, each may need a different
license.  Nobody's wrong to use BSD, GNU GPL, or any other license.
Nobody's evil or stupid or naive just because they make a certain
licensing choice.

Back to writing code (which I'm "free" to do) ... :)

--Matt


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-20 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14  7:00   ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14  0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14  6:49   ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14  7:38     ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
     [not found]       ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
     [not found]         ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45           ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 15:46                 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:22                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34                     ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22  3:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25  0:27                           ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15                       ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42                         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51                           ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20                             ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21  0:26                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-22 11:12                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22  8:19                                 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21  0:38                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59                               ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47                           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:51                             ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21  7:51                               ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06                   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48               ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20  8:37                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59               ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20                 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05                   ` John Jasen
2002-10-21  0:13                   ` Matt D. Robinson [this message]
2002-10-22  3:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22  3:18                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22  3:38                       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22  5:26                         ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22  5:39                           ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22  6:09                             ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22  6:12                             ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21  2:42                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21  2:20                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21  3:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21  3:42                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21  9:39               ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20  1:14             ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20  2:00               ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20  2:18                 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20  8:38                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20  2:46                 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20  5:58                   ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20  8:40                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20  9:00                       ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20  9:06                         ` David Lang
2002-10-20  9:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46                       ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24                         ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53                           ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42                     ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20  8:33             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18               ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13                   ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-22 20:32                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28                       ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23  7:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23  7:24                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
     [not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53   ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39       ` Russ Allbery
     [not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02   ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46     ` Roman Zippel

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