From: Allen Campbell <allenc@campbell.cwx.net>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:13:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021022141336.A21184@const.> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210211331250.5873-100000@xanadu.home>; from nico@cam.org on Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:56:05PM -0400
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:56:05PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>
> Now please just understand that people are not entitled to agree with you or
> follow your advice.
"People" are entitled to agree with whomever they wish, including
Stallman.
> As you just demonstrated above you can't disconnect "freedom" and "power".
No such thing was demonstrated. That someone lacks the power to
silence critics does not imply that they lack the freedom to do
things that others criticize.
> To have the freedom to use free software you need the power to do so.
>
> Of course people have the power to ignore you, but it's their freedom to do
> so.
>
> Aren't we making circles here?
Indeed, you are.
<snip>
> Therefore the only real lever you have against BitKeeper or whatever else is
> to write a GPL equivalent. Until it happens please assume that those who
> chose to use the tool they want are exercising their freedom since it was
> made certain that no one is forced into using BK for Linux development
> already.
The ability to participate in Linux development without using BK
is not some benevolent gift, granted from on-high by Linus as a
favor to those who object to BK. It is assured by the GPL regardless
of some specific developers policy with regard to what tools are
used. No one had to "make certain that no one is forced." The
power to "force" doesn't exist.
--
Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the
allenc@verinet.com | gravity well, getting old.
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Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14 7:00 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14 0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14 6:49 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14 7:38 ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
[not found] ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
[not found] ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 15:46 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25 0:27 ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21 0:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-22 11:12 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22 8:19 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21 0:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:51 ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21 7:51 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20 8:37 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05 ` John Jasen
2002-10-21 0:13 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22 3:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 3:38 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 5:26 ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22 5:39 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 6:09 ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22 6:12 ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 2:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21 2:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 3:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 3:42 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 9:39 ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20 1:14 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 2:00 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 2:18 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20 8:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 2:46 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 5:58 ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20 8:40 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 9:00 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20 9:06 ` David Lang
2002-10-20 9:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53 ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42 ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 8:33 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13 ` Allen Campbell [this message]
2002-10-22 20:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23 7:10 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23 7:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
[not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39 ` Russ Allbery
[not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02 ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46 ` Roman Zippel
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