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From: Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>
To: Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>
Cc: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>, Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:47:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E4D0019F-E47D-11D6-8E08-000393575BCC@dberlin.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1035150122.967.5.camel@bip>


On Sunday, October 20, 2002, at 05:42  PM, Xavier Bestel wrote:

> Le dim 20/10/2002 à 21:15, Robert Love a écrit :
>> On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 13:34, Ben Collins wrote:
>>
>>> I disagree. I don't see anything in the copyright assignment (and I 
>>> have
>>> signed a few for the FSF) that says I don't retain original copyright
>>> for my work.
>>
>> That is only because they relicense the work back to you (and its 
>> GPLed
>> you have a lot of freedom with it anyhow).
>>
>> When you sign over your copyright, you relinquish it.  The FSF now has
>> the copyright on your work and you do not.
>
> You're plain wrong.
>
> You both have the copyright on your work.

No, you don't.
2+ people having copyrights on something only occurs when you have 
joint authorship (or rare partial transfers).
In this case, what we have is the a transfer of copyright from you, to 
the FSF ("my entire right, title, and interest (including all rights 
under copyright))"
It's like transferring rights to real property (in most countries, you 
can view copyright as an object of property in trying to determine what 
you can do with it)
When rights are transferred to another party, the original author 
doesn't get any residual rights unless these are expressly reserved as 
a "grant back".
You are no longer the owner of the copy right.

--Dan
  

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-20 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14  7:00   ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14  0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14  6:49   ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14  7:38     ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
     [not found]       ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
     [not found]         ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45           ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 15:46                 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:22                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34                     ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22  3:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25  0:27                           ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15                       ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42                         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51                           ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20                             ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21  0:26                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-22 11:12                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22  8:19                                 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21  0:38                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59                               ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47                           ` Daniel Berlin [this message]
2002-10-20 22:51                             ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21  7:51                               ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06                   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48               ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20  8:37                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59               ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20                 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05                   ` John Jasen
2002-10-21  0:13                   ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22  3:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22  3:18                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22  3:38                       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22  5:26                         ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22  5:39                           ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22  6:09                             ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22  6:12                             ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21  2:42                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21  2:20                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21  3:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21  3:42                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21  9:39               ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20  1:14             ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20  2:00               ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20  2:18                 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20  8:38                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20  2:46                 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20  5:58                   ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20  8:40                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20  9:00                       ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20  9:06                         ` David Lang
2002-10-20  9:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46                       ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24                         ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53                           ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42                     ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20  8:33             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18               ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13                   ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-22 20:32                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28                       ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23  7:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23  7:24                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
     [not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53   ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39       ` Russ Allbery
     [not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02   ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46     ` Roman Zippel

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