From: Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>,
Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>,
Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>, Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:18:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B6BFEE-E508-11D6-AF88-000393575BCC@dberlin.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0210211233080.22993-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
On Monday, October 21, 2002, at 10:33 AM, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Rob Landley wrote:
>> On Sunday 20 October 2002 17:53, Rik van Riel wrote:
>
>>> Germany (and France, judging from your words) have laws that
>>> guarantee that the creator of a work keeps copyright on the
>>> work. At least, part of the copyright cannot be signed over
>>> to other people or organisations.
>
>> 3) The creator of a work doesn't always get the copyright, at least in
>> the US.
>
> Please see above. It's possible the FSF copyright assignment
> just can't be legal in some countries.
>
Possibly, but as a contract, it doesn't matter (unless these other
countries don't do promissory estoppel. AFAIK from a google search,
they do).
Even if the contract is invalid, if the FSF relies on the promise of
rights in the contract to its detriment (IE are sued by the author for
infringement or something), the promise will be enforced (to avoid
injustice).
For an plain english description of what promissory estoppel is, see
http://facstaff.gallaudet.edu/marshall.wick/bus447/
promissory_estoppel.html
It's a bit more than that, but that's the general idea.
--Dan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-21 15:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14 7:00 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14 0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14 6:49 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14 7:38 ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
[not found] ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
[not found] ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 15:46 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25 0:27 ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21 0:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18 ` Daniel Berlin [this message]
2002-10-22 11:12 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22 8:19 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21 0:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:51 ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21 7:51 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20 8:37 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05 ` John Jasen
2002-10-21 0:13 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22 3:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 3:38 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 5:26 ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22 5:39 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 6:09 ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22 6:12 ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 2:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21 2:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 3:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 3:42 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 9:39 ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20 1:14 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 2:00 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 2:18 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20 8:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 2:46 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 5:58 ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20 8:40 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 9:00 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20 9:06 ` David Lang
2002-10-20 9:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53 ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42 ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 8:33 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-22 20:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23 7:10 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23 7:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
[not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39 ` Russ Allbery
[not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02 ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46 ` Roman Zippel
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