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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:28:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DB1EAAB.30401@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021019161201.A26017@work.bitmover.com

Larry McVoy wrote:
> I have no problem with the GPL, I think it's a fine license if your
> goal is to have things done out in the open with no hoarding.  A great
> license, in fact.  But I have a big problem with this constant harping
> on the term "freedom".  The GPL absolutely positively does not grant me
> all the rights I want, it took substantial portions of my freedom away.
> I am not free to use GPL source in any way I wish and neither is anyone
> else.
> 
> I'm OK with you having a free license, go make one.  I'm OK with you 
> sticking with the GPL, but then you get admit that it is not a free
> license and stop kidding yourself and others.


At the potential cost of getting flamed, I think it is worth pointing 
out that the FSF's copyright assignment policy on several of their 
projects is _very_ anti-freedom.  You are required to relinquish all 
your rights to your contributions, in exchange for the hope that the FSF 
will protect them.

So, like the GPL, you are really _giving up_ rights and freedoms for the 
overall cause of software freedom.

	Jeff, who GPLs all the software he writes...



  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-19 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14  7:00   ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14  0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14  6:49   ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14  7:38     ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
     [not found]       ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
     [not found]         ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45           ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28               ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-10-20 15:46                 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:22                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34                     ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22  3:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25  0:27                           ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15                       ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42                         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51                           ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20                             ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21  0:26                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-22 11:12                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22  8:19                                 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21  0:38                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59                               ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47                           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:51                             ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21  7:51                               ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06                   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48               ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20  8:37                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59               ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20                 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05                   ` John Jasen
2002-10-21  0:13                   ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22  3:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22  3:18                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22  3:38                       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22  5:26                         ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22  5:39                           ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22  6:09                             ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22  6:12                             ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21  2:42                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21  2:20                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21  3:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21  3:42                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21  9:39               ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20  1:14             ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20  2:00               ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20  2:18                 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20  8:38                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20  2:46                 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20  5:58                   ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20  8:40                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20  9:00                       ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20  9:06                         ` David Lang
2002-10-20  9:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46                       ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24                         ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53                           ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42                     ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20  8:33             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18               ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13                   ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-22 20:32                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28                       ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23  7:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23  7:24                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
     [not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53   ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39       ` Russ Allbery
     [not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02   ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46     ` Roman Zippel

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