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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: mrechberger@gmail.com
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, bunk@stusta.de, diegocg@gmail.com,
	cebbert@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:40:48 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070428.204048.125894473.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d9def9db0704281558r57460a6ft76bbddcc480058eb@mail.gmail.com>

From: "Markus Rechberger" <mrechberger@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:58:09 +0200

> On 4/29/07, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > >
> > > We are already quite good at ignoring bug reports that come through
> > > linux-kernel, and it's an _advantage_ of the kernel Bugzilla to see more
> > > than 1600 open bugs because this tells how bad we are at handling bugs.
> >
> > No, it just shows that bugzilla doesn't matter for most of the kernel.
> >
> > Don't say that "bugzilla tells how bad we are at handling bugs". It tells
> > how bad *bugzilla* is for handling bugs, nothing more.
> >
> 
> I totally disagree here, bugzilla is a very good tool.

No, Bugzilla really does suck, and I personally refuse to use it when
I have a choice.  And guess what?  You better be concerned about that
because I maintain all of the networking code :-)

It puts the onus FAR too much on the developer and not enough on the
reporter and other minions.  We have a small resource of developers,
yet lots of users, bug reporters, and minions, so something that
doesn't take advantage of the larger resource we have is going to
not function efficiently at all.  Yet that is what bugzilla does.

It's made way too much work for me every time I'm come in contact with
it, it wastes my time instead of making good use of it.

As a developer I do not want to get pounded with emails containing
state changes and other bullshit that typically comes with being
assigned to or on the CC of a bugzilla entry.  I don't want to be
reminded that a bug hasn't been touched in weeks, if the reporter
doesn't care I don't care and I'll work on things that people do care
about.  It makes me delete all the bugzilla email, even the ones with
important information in them, because it's rediculious to have to
sift through all of that crap.

People only use bugzilla because it is well understood and nothing
better has reached critical mass yet.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-29  3:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 292+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-26  3:29 Linux 2.6.21 Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  4:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  4:38   ` Dave Jones
2007-04-26  5:02   ` Greg KH
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  5:04   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26  6:28   ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-26  6:46   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26  8:03     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-26 12:32     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  8:42   ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-04-26  9:20   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 10:44   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-04-26 12:58   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 15:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 16:59       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 17:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:48           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:37         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:55             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 21:34             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 19:11           ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 17:14           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-04-27 19:35             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 20:44             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 20:50         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-27 14:58           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 16:31             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 19:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 20:23                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-28 12:51                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-27 21:17         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:02       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-26 18:13         ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 18:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:41             ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 21:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27  9:33                 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2007-04-28 19:08                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-28 22:11                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 22:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 22:42                       ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 23:14                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29  0:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:03                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-29  0:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:53                 ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704281529080. 9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-28 20:27                   ` Russell King
2007-04-28 21:43                     ` irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 22:49                     ` Linux 2.6.21 Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 13:15                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 16:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 16:34                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 16:49                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 17:37                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:50                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-14  6:29                                   ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 15:33                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 16:39                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 16:36                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 17:30                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-14 20:33                                           ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 20:46                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-15 23:20                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-15 23:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  1:32                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16  2:55                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  5:03                                             ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 13:25                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 12:23                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-16 12:54                                             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  0:44                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17  9:41                                               ` [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)) Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  9:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 10:22                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 11:47                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:13                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 14:24                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 14:48                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 17:44                                                       ` david
2007-06-17 21:23                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:01                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 12:45                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 13:17                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 14:02                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 14:29                                                     ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 16:15                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 16:26                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 16:47                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 18:24                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:44                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 18:50                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-22 12:01                                                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-06-22 14:19                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-22 15:25                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 17:31                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 17:42                                                         ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-17 18:16                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:31                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:53                                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:52                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 19:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:33                                                             ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-17 20:00                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 20:10                                                                 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 21:49                                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  0:22                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-18  0:32                                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  5:09                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-18 13:23                                                                 ` Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-18 22:31                                                                   ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 22:41                                                                     ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-18 22:56                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 23:59                                                                         ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19  0:24                                                                             ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  0:42                                                                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:55                                                                                 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  1:10                                                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  4:06                                                                             ` This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?] Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 12:48                                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 14:05                                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 14:27                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:47                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:50                                                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 18:56                                                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 19:21                                                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 15:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 17:14                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 15:01                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 16:53                                                                                   ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:04                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 17:37                                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 17:51                                                                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-21 23:51                                                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:59                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22  0:16                                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:48                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 13:30                                                                               ` Don Armstrong
2007-06-19  1:51                                                                         ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-19  2:27                                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 11:06                                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-18  1:04                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:54                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-19  0:28                                       ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 14:49                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-19 17:27                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-29 18:50                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 18:58                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 19:14                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:18                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:00                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 22:00                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 23:14                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:52                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-29 22:09                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30  6:30                                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:08                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 18:18                                     ` Bugzilla (was Linux 2.6.21) Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-30  5:43                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 17:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:09                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 18:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 19:31                                   ` Russell King
2007-04-29 19:40                                   ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 19:51                                     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-30  1:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  4:54                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  5:06                                           ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-29 20:17                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 20:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 21:05                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  7:45                                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-04-30 18:09                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 18:20                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:27                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:57                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 19:25                                                   ` Vegard Nossum
2007-04-29 22:36                                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-29 23:18                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-29 23:41                                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30  0:05                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-30  7:54                                               ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 20:56                                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 21:10                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:16                                           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:21                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:26                                               ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:52                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:19                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:33                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:37                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:48                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 23:09                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:42                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:57                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:51                                           ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 23:19                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 21:29                                     ` Francois Romieu
2007-05-02 19:59                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-29 20:01                                   ` David Miller
2007-04-29 21:26                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 21:41                                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29 22:15                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:38                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-04-30  7:34                             ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 23:55                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-30  0:13                             ` Dave Jones
2007-04-30  1:14                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-30  1:31                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-30  5:02                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-30  7:59                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 16:51                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29  7:34                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 22:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 22:58                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-28 23:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  0:05                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:27                           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-29 21:27                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29 22:09                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29  0:20                         ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-29  0:40                           ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  0:28                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  3:40                       ` David Miller [this message]
2007-04-29  6:43                         ` David Lang
2007-04-29  9:34                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  9:40                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  6:01                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29  9:53                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  7:37                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 23:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:41                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  8:44                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-30 18:13                   ` Borislav Petkov
2007-04-26 17:39       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 21:14           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 23:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-27  0:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:08     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 17:23   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 18:36       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:58         ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 19:19             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:53               ` Stephen Clark
     [not found]             ` <4630FC6C.6070902@seclark.us>
     [not found]               ` <4630FE8D.6090900@garzik.org>
2007-04-26 19:48                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 15:22                   ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:14       ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-27 21:36         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26  6:30 ` Jan De Luyck
2007-04-26  8:23 ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27  6:30   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26  8:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 16:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 19:02     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-27  4:08       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-26 19:57     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 21:59     ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  7:52 linux
2007-04-28 20:42 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-29 20:46 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-29 21:39 ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2007-04-29 21:04 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30  3:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30  4:57   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  7:43     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30  6:25   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30 14:56     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  6:09 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30  7:01 ` David Miller
2007-04-30 18:10   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 10:03 Nicolas Mailhot

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