From: "Michal Piotrowski" <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>
To: "Adrian Bunk" <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: "Stefan Richter" <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
"Oleg Verych" <olecom@flower.upol.cz>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
"Diego Calleja" <diegocg@gmail.com>,
"Chuck Ebbert" <cebbert@redhat.com>,
"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21))
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:17:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6bffcb0e0706170617k32e79d96q5af1bcd7d9492cb8@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070617124508.GV3588@stusta.de>
On 17/06/07, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 11:41:36AM +0200, Michal Piotrowski wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Adrian Bunk pisze:
> >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:23:25PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> [Adrian, I'm not saying "too few users run -rc kernels", I'm saying "too
> >>> few FireWire driver users run -rc kernels".]
> >> Getting more people testing -rc kernels might be possible, and I don't
> >> think it would be too hard. And not only FireWire would benefit from this,
> >> remember e.g. that at least 2 out of the last 5 kernels Linus released
> >> contained filesystem corruption regressions.
> >> The problem is that we aren't able to handle the many regression reports
> >> we get today, so asking for more testing and regression reports today
> >> would attack it at the wrong part of the chain.
> >> Additionally, every reported and unhandled regression will frustrate the
> >> reporter - never forget that we have _many_ unhandled bug reports
> >> (including but not limited to regression reports) where the submitter
> >> spent much time and energy in writing a good bug report.
> >> If we somehow gain the missing manpower for debugging regressions we can
> >> actively ask for more testing. Missing manpower (of people knowing some
> >> part of the kernel well) for debugging bug reports is IMHO the one big
> >> source of quality problems in the Linux kernel. If we get this solved,
> >> things like getting more testers for -rc kernels will become low hanging
> >> fruits.
> >
> > Adrian, I agree with _all_ your points.
> >
> > I bet that developers will hate me for this.
> >
> > Please consider for 2.6.23
>
> Fine with me, but:
>
> There are not so simple cases like big infrastructure patches with
> 20 other patches in the tree depending on it causing a regression, or
> even worse, a big infrastructure patch exposing a latent old bug in some
> completely different area of the kernel.
It is different case.
"If the patch introduces a new regression"
introduces != exposes an old bug
Removal of 20 patches will be painful, but sometimes you need to
"choose minor evil to prevent a greater one" [1].
> And we should be aware that reverting is only a workaround for the real
> problem which lies in our bug handling.
>
> > Regards,
> > Michal
> >...
>
> cu
> Adrian
>
> --
>
> "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
> of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
> "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
> Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
>
>
Regards,
Michal
[1] the quote from "The Last Wish/Minor Evil" by Andrzej Sapkowski :)
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2007-04-26 3:29 Linux 2.6.21 Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 4:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 4:38 ` Dave Jones
2007-04-26 5:02 ` Greg KH
2007-04-26 5:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 5:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26 6:28 ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-26 6:46 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 8:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-26 12:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 8:42 ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-04-26 9:20 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 10:44 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-04-26 12:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 16:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 17:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:37 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 18:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:55 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 21:34 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 19:11 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 17:14 ` Michael Tokarev
2007-04-27 19:35 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 20:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 20:50 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-27 14:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 16:31 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 19:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 20:23 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-28 12:51 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-27 21:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:02 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-26 18:13 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:41 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 21:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 9:33 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2007-04-28 19:08 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-28 22:11 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 22:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 22:42 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 23:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 3:03 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-29 0:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 3:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:53 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704281529080. 9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-28 20:27 ` Russell King
2007-04-28 21:43 ` irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 22:49 ` Linux 2.6.21 Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 13:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 16:34 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 16:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 17:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-14 6:29 ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 15:33 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 16:39 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 16:36 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 17:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-14 20:33 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 20:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-15 23:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-15 23:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 1:32 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 2:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 5:03 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 13:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 12:23 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-16 12:54 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 0:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 9:41 ` [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)) Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 10:22 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 11:47 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 14:24 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 14:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 17:44 ` david
2007-06-17 21:23 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 12:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 13:17 ` Michal Piotrowski [this message]
2007-06-17 14:02 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 14:29 ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 16:15 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 16:26 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 16:47 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 18:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:44 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 18:50 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-22 12:01 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-06-22 14:19 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-22 15:25 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 17:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 17:42 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-17 18:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:53 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 19:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:33 ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-17 20:00 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 20:10 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 21:49 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 23:15 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18 0:22 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-18 0:32 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18 5:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-18 13:23 ` Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-18 22:31 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 22:41 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-18 22:56 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 23:59 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 0:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 0:24 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 0:42 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 0:55 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 1:10 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 4:06 ` This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?] Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 12:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 14:05 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 14:27 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:47 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:50 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 18:56 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 19:21 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 15:08 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 17:14 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 15:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 16:53 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 17:37 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 17:51 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-21 23:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 0:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 13:30 ` Don Armstrong
2007-06-19 1:51 ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-19 2:27 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 11:06 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 23:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-18 1:04 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:54 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-19 0:28 ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 14:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-19 17:27 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-29 18:50 ` Linux 2.6.21 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 18:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 19:14 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:43 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 22:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 23:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:52 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-29 22:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30 6:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 18:18 ` Bugzilla (was Linux 2.6.21) Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-30 5:43 ` Linux 2.6.21 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 17:35 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 19:31 ` Russell King
2007-04-29 19:40 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 19:51 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-30 1:50 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30 4:54 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30 5:06 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-29 20:17 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 20:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 21:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 7:45 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-04-30 18:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 19:25 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-04-29 22:36 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-29 23:18 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-29 23:41 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 0:05 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-30 7:54 ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 20:56 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 21:10 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:16 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:26 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:48 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 23:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:57 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:51 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 21:29 ` Francois Romieu
2007-05-02 19:59 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-29 20:01 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 21:26 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 21:41 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 22:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:38 ` Simon Arlott
2007-04-30 7:34 ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 23:55 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-30 0:13 ` Dave Jones
2007-04-30 1:14 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-30 1:31 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-30 5:02 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-30 7:59 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 16:51 ` David Lang
2007-04-29 7:34 ` Russell King
2007-04-28 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 22:58 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-28 23:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 0:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:27 ` Dave Jones
2007-04-29 21:27 ` David Lang
2007-04-29 22:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 0:20 ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-29 0:40 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29 0:28 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29 3:40 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 6:43 ` David Lang
2007-04-29 9:34 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 9:40 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 6:01 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 9:53 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 7:37 ` Russell King
2007-04-28 23:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 3:41 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 8:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-30 18:13 ` Borislav Petkov
2007-04-26 17:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 21:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 23:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-27 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:08 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 17:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 18:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:58 ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 19:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:43 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:43 ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:53 ` Stephen Clark
[not found] ` <4630FC6C.6070902@seclark.us>
[not found] ` <4630FE8D.6090900@garzik.org>
2007-04-26 19:48 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 15:22 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:14 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 21:02 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-26 21:02 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-27 21:36 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 6:30 ` Jan De Luyck
2007-04-26 8:23 ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27 6:30 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 8:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 19:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-27 4:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-26 19:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 21:59 ` Mel Gorman
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