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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Michal Piotrowski <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	Oleg Verych <olecom@flower.upol.cz>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:31:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200706171931.02572.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070617142950.GW3588@stusta.de>

On Sunday, 17 June 2007 16:29, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 03:17:58PM +0200, Michal Piotrowski wrote:
> > On 17/06/07, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> >...
> >> Fine with me, but:
> >>
> >> There are not so simple cases like big infrastructure patches with
> >> 20 other patches in the tree depending on it causing a regression, or
> >> even worse, a big infrastructure patch exposing a latent old bug in some
> >> completely different area of the kernel.
> >
> > It is different case.
> >
> > "If the patch introduces a new regression"
> >
> > introduces != exposes an old bug
> 
> My remark was meant as a note "this sentence can't handle all 
> regressions" (and for a user it doesn't matter whether a new 
> regression is introduced or an old regression exposed).
> 
> It could be we simply agree on this one.  ;-)
> 
> > Removal of 20 patches will be painful, but sometimes you need to
> > "choose minor evil to prevent a greater one" [1].
> > 
> >> And we should be aware that reverting is only a workaround for the real
> >> problem which lies in our bug handling.
> >...
> 
> And this is something I want to emphasize again.
> 
> How can we make any progress with the real problem and not only the 
> symptoms?

I think that we can handle bug reports like we handle modifications of code.

Namely, for each subsystem there can be a person (or a team) responsible
for handling bugs, by which I don't mean fixing them, but directing bug reports
at the right developers or subsystem maintainers, following the history of each
bug report etc.  [Of course, these people can choose to use the bugzilla or any
other bug tracking system they want, as long as it works for them.]

The email addresses of these people should be known (and even documented),
so that everyone can notify them if need be and so that it's clear who should
handle given bug reports.

Just an idea. :-)

Greetings,
Rafael


-- 
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-17 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 289+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-26  3:29 Linux 2.6.21 Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  4:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  4:38   ` Dave Jones
2007-04-26  5:02   ` Greg KH
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  5:04   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26  6:28   ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-26  6:46   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26  8:03     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-26 12:32     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  8:42   ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-04-26  9:20   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 10:44   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-04-26 12:58   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 15:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 16:59       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 17:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:48           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:37         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:55             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 21:34             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 19:11           ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 17:14           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-04-27 19:35             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 20:44             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 20:50         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-27 14:58           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 16:31             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 19:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 20:23                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-28 12:51                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-27 21:17         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:02       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-26 18:13         ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 18:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:41             ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 21:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27  9:33                 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2007-04-28 19:08                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-28 22:11                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 22:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 22:42                       ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 23:14                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29  0:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:03                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-29  0:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:53                 ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704281529080. 9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-28 20:27                   ` Russell King
2007-04-28 21:43                     ` irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 22:49                     ` Linux 2.6.21 Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 13:15                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 16:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 16:34                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 16:49                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 17:37                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:50                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-14  6:29                                   ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 15:33                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 16:39                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 16:36                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 17:30                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-14 20:33                                           ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 20:46                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-15 23:20                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-15 23:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  1:32                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16  2:55                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  5:03                                             ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 13:25                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 12:23                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-16 12:54                                             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  0:44                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17  9:41                                               ` [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)) Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  9:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 10:22                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 11:47                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:13                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 14:24                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 14:48                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 17:44                                                       ` david
2007-06-17 21:23                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:01                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 12:45                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 13:17                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 14:02                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 14:29                                                     ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 16:15                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 16:26                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 16:47                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 18:24                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:44                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 18:50                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-22 12:01                                                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-06-22 14:19                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-22 15:25                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 17:31                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-06-17 17:42                                                         ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-17 18:16                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:31                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:53                                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:52                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 19:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:33                                                             ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-17 20:00                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 20:10                                                                 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 21:49                                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  0:22                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-18  0:32                                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  5:09                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-18 13:23                                                                 ` Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-18 22:31                                                                   ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 22:41                                                                     ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-18 22:56                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 23:59                                                                         ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19  0:24                                                                             ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  0:42                                                                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:55                                                                                 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  1:10                                                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  4:06                                                                             ` This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?] Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 12:48                                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 14:05                                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 14:27                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:47                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:50                                                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 18:56                                                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 19:21                                                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 15:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 17:14                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 15:01                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 16:53                                                                                   ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:04                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 17:37                                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 17:51                                                                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-21 23:51                                                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:59                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22  0:16                                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:48                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 13:30                                                                               ` Don Armstrong
2007-06-19  1:51                                                                         ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-19  2:27                                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 11:06                                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-18  1:04                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:54                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-19  0:28                                       ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 14:49                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-19 17:27                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-29 18:50                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 18:58                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 19:14                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:18                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:00                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 22:00                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 23:14                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:52                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-29 22:09                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30  6:30                                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:08                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 18:18                                     ` Bugzilla (was Linux 2.6.21) Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-30  5:43                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 17:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:09                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 18:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 19:31                                   ` Russell King
2007-04-29 19:40                                   ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 19:51                                     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-30  1:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  4:54                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  5:06                                           ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-29 20:17                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 20:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 21:05                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  7:45                                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-04-30 18:09                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 18:20                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:27                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:57                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 19:25                                                   ` Vegard Nossum
2007-04-29 22:36                                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-29 23:18                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-29 23:41                                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30  0:05                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-30  7:54                                               ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 20:56                                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 21:10                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:16                                           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:21                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:26                                               ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:52                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:19                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:33                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:37                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:48                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 23:09                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:42                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:57                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:51                                           ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 23:19                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 21:29                                     ` Francois Romieu
2007-05-02 19:59                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-29 20:01                                   ` David Miller
2007-04-29 21:26                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 21:41                                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29 22:15                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:38                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-04-30  7:34                             ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 23:55                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-30  0:13                             ` Dave Jones
2007-04-30  1:14                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-30  1:31                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-30  5:02                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-30  7:59                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 16:51                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29  7:34                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 22:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 22:58                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-28 23:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  0:05                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:27                           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-29 21:27                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29 22:09                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29  0:20                         ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-29  0:40                           ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  0:28                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  3:40                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  6:43                         ` David Lang
2007-04-29  9:34                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  9:40                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  6:01                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29  9:53                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  7:37                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 23:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:41                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  8:44                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-30 18:13                   ` Borislav Petkov
2007-04-26 17:39       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 21:14           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 23:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-27  0:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:08     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 17:23   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 18:36       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:58         ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 19:19             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:53               ` Stephen Clark
     [not found]             ` <4630FC6C.6070902@seclark.us>
     [not found]               ` <4630FE8D.6090900@garzik.org>
2007-04-26 19:48                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 15:22                   ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:14       ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-27 21:36         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26  6:30 ` Jan De Luyck
2007-04-26  8:23 ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27  6:30   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26  8:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 16:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 19:02     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-27  4:08       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-26 19:57     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 21:59     ` Mel Gorman
2007-06-17 22:41 How to improve the quality of the kernel? Al Boldi
2007-06-17 22:55 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-18  3:55   ` Al Boldi
2007-06-20 21:34     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21  3:26       ` Al Boldi
2007-06-21 13:07         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 13:41           ` Al Boldi
2007-06-21 13:57             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 21:33               ` Al Boldi
2007-06-22 11:24                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 15:48         ` Stefan Richter

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