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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: andi@firstfloor.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	bunk@stusta.de, diegocg@gmail.com, cebbert@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:15:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070429221502.GA714@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070429.144150.65190684.davem@davemloft.net>

> BECAUSE EMAIL ENGAGES PEOPLE AND BUGZILLA DOES NOT!
> 
> Nobody looks at the bugzilla because there is too much junk in there
> to make the signal any useful to search for, there's simply too much
> noise.

That means just x.org doesn't have a working bugmaster setup.
Again a technical solution doesn't fix misorganization or missing people;
it just pushes some work humans are at to computers if you have the right structure

The normal bugzilla workflow is that some people categorize the bugs, 
ask the necessary questions and then figure out which developer
to assign it to. Then the developer doesn't end up with "too much noise"
but just a limited set of bugs to look at.

And the responsible developer then gets an email and looks at the bug.

This already happens to some limited fashion in kernel.org bugzilla:
I get bugs assigned occasionally and while it's slow I tend to look
at (near) all of them and try to improve things there.

If a single developer ends up with too many bugs this way or there
is nobody to assign a bug to or nobody processes the incoming bugs
then the project has a problem. Yes bugzilla doesn't work then 
if the project is not well organized.

But that's in no way different from what would happen with your
email sent to a mailing list if it had the same problem.

-Andi (who finds it a bit bizarre he has to explain the concept
of "things can get easier when some work is pushed to computers"
concept to a hacker) 


  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-29 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 292+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-26  3:29 Linux 2.6.21 Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  4:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  4:38   ` Dave Jones
2007-04-26  5:02   ` Greg KH
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  5:04   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26  6:28   ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-26  6:46   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26  8:03     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-26 12:32     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26  8:42   ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-04-26  9:20   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 10:44   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-04-26 12:58   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 15:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 16:59       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 17:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:48           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:37         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:55             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 21:34             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 19:11           ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 17:14           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-04-27 19:35             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 20:44             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 20:50         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-27 14:58           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 16:31             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 19:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 20:23                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-28 12:51                 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-27 21:17         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:02       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-26 18:13         ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 18:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:41             ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 21:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27  9:33                 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2007-04-28 19:08                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-28 22:11                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 22:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 22:42                       ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 23:14                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29  0:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:03                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-29  0:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:53                 ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704281529080. 9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-28 20:27                   ` Russell King
2007-04-28 21:43                     ` irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 22:49                     ` Linux 2.6.21 Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 13:15                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 16:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 16:34                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 16:49                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 17:37                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:50                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-14  6:29                                   ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 15:33                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 16:39                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 16:36                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 17:30                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-14 20:33                                           ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 20:46                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-15 23:20                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-15 23:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  1:32                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16  2:55                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16  5:03                                             ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 13:25                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 12:23                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-16 12:54                                             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  0:44                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17  9:41                                               ` [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)) Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17  9:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 10:22                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 11:47                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:13                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 14:24                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 14:48                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 17:44                                                       ` david
2007-06-17 21:23                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:01                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 12:45                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 13:17                                                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 14:02                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 14:29                                                     ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 16:15                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 16:26                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 16:47                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 18:24                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:44                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 18:50                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-22 12:01                                                             ` Markus Rechberger
2007-06-22 14:19                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-22 15:25                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 17:31                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 17:42                                                         ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-17 18:16                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:31                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:53                                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:52                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 19:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:33                                                             ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-17 20:00                                                               ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 20:10                                                                 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 21:49                                                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  0:22                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-18  0:32                                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18  5:09                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-18 13:23                                                                 ` Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-18 22:31                                                                   ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 22:41                                                                     ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-18 22:56                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 23:59                                                                         ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19  0:24                                                                             ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  0:42                                                                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  0:55                                                                                 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19  1:10                                                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19  4:06                                                                             ` This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?] Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 12:48                                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 14:05                                                                                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 14:27                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:47                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:50                                                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 18:56                                                                                         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 19:21                                                                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 15:08                                                                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 17:14                                                                                     ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 15:01                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 16:53                                                                                   ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:04                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 17:37                                                                                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 17:51                                                                                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-21 23:51                                                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:59                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22  0:16                                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:48                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 13:30                                                                               ` Don Armstrong
2007-06-19  1:51                                                                         ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-19  2:27                                                                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 11:06                                                                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 23:15                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-18  1:04                                                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:54                                                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-19  0:28                                       ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 14:49                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-19 17:27                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-29 18:50                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 18:58                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 19:14                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:18                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:43                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:00                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 22:00                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 23:14                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:52                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-29 22:09                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30  6:30                                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:08                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 18:18                                     ` Bugzilla (was Linux 2.6.21) Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-30  5:43                                 ` Linux 2.6.21 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 17:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:09                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 18:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 19:31                                   ` Russell King
2007-04-29 19:40                                   ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 19:51                                     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-30  1:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  4:54                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  5:06                                           ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-29 20:17                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 20:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 21:05                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  7:45                                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-04-30 18:09                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 18:20                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:27                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:57                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 19:25                                                   ` Vegard Nossum
2007-04-29 22:36                                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-29 23:18                                             ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-29 23:41                                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30  0:05                                                 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-30  7:54                                               ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 20:56                                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 21:10                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:16                                           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:21                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:26                                               ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:52                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:19                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:33                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:37                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:48                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 23:09                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:42                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:57                                                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:51                                           ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 23:19                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 21:29                                     ` Francois Romieu
2007-05-02 19:59                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-29 20:01                                   ` David Miller
2007-04-29 21:26                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 21:41                                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29 22:15                                         ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-04-29 20:38                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-04-30  7:34                             ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 23:55                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-30  0:13                             ` Dave Jones
2007-04-30  1:14                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-30  1:31                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-30  5:02                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-30  7:59                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 16:51                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29  7:34                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 22:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 22:58                     ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-28 23:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  0:05                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:27                           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-29 21:27                             ` David Lang
2007-04-29 22:09                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29  0:20                         ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-29  0:40                           ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  0:28                         ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29  3:40                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  6:43                         ` David Lang
2007-04-29  9:34                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  9:40                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  6:01                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29  9:53                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29  7:37                       ` Russell King
2007-04-28 23:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29  3:41                       ` David Miller
2007-04-29  8:44                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-30 18:13                   ` Borislav Petkov
2007-04-26 17:39       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 21:14           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 23:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-27  0:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:08     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 17:23   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 18:36       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:58         ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 19:19             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:43             ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:53               ` Stephen Clark
     [not found]             ` <4630FC6C.6070902@seclark.us>
     [not found]               ` <4630FE8D.6090900@garzik.org>
2007-04-26 19:48                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 15:22                   ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:13           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:14       ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-26 21:02         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-27 21:36         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26  6:30 ` Jan De Luyck
2007-04-26  8:23 ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27  6:30   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26  8:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 16:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 19:02     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-27  4:08       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-26 19:57     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 21:59     ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  7:52 linux
2007-04-28 20:42 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-29 20:46 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-29 21:39 ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2007-04-29 21:04 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30  3:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30  4:57   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30  7:43     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30  6:25   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30 14:56     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30  6:09 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30  7:01 ` David Miller
2007-04-30 18:10   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 10:03 Nicolas Mailhot

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