From: Simon Arlott <simon@fire.lp0.eu>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>,
Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:38:24 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46350240.6070605@simon.arlott.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070429180909.GA30604@one.firstfloor.org>
On 29/04/07 19:09, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> - a lot of reporters will not use bugzilla, because it's damn
>> inconvenient even for reporting. If you propose something that uses
>
> Don't think that's true. There are plenty of projects who only
> accept bugs through bugzilla (mozilla, various distributions, etc.)
> and I don't see any evidence of your claim being true.
These projects are probably losing plenty of trivial bug reports
from people who shouldn't have to register with a bug tracker and
fill in a long form every time to submit a short bug report.
> Sure there will be always people who cannot be bothered
> to use any kind of interface for bugs, but then
Most of the time bugzilla appears to be a great way to ignore
bugs. Every large project seems to have one with bugs that
stay open for years - bugzilla's own inability to quick search
without javascript[1] being a good example (it's fixed now).
If no one can get around to fixing reported bugs why should
anyone bother submitting more?
They even released their software with a link to the bug if
you tried to do a quick search without javascript:
[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70907
"THIS BUG IS FIXED IN BUGZILLA 2.22. D..."
> these are unlikely to stay on board during a longer
> remote debugging q'n'a session either. So those people
> can be just ignored; they essentially don't exist in
> the bug report universe.
How will the people you ignore get their bugs fixed?
> I don't think the "keep it in Andrew's/Adrian's head" method
> is going to scale longer term at least (and one of them has
> already thrown in the towel)
People are doing something about this, at least for tracking
the regressions at http://kernelnewbies.org/known_regressions
(which is read-only unless you register, people have already
commented on this).
> The "send it to a gigantic mailing list and hope someone catches
> it" method also doesn't seem to be that great. At least there
> are lots of lost reports in my experience this way.
I have had experience of this with the dvb mailing list (this was
a couple of months before their news post referencing bugzilla
too), even when I included a patch to fix it.
Someone suggested another way to fix a bug and I replied that it
worked - that fix never went anywhere else and other people could
be having the same problem today because it's still not been
applied anywhere. (I will submit a -1 +1 patch myself when
I have time this week).
> I suspect the real reason is more "Linus doesn't like web interfaces
> for no particular good reason". Not much can be done about that.
> Well perhaps someone can write a gopher based bugzilla interface
> or something to solve that instead @)
Bugzilla's advanced search interface is far too crowded, that
should be clear to anyone. The simpler search usually isn't much
use because either it finds too many bugs or "zarro boogs" and
you're left wondering if the bug is there or not.
--
Simon Arlott
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2007-04-26 3:29 Linux 2.6.21 Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 4:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 4:38 ` Dave Jones
2007-04-26 5:02 ` Greg KH
2007-04-26 5:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 5:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26 6:28 ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-26 6:46 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 8:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-04-26 12:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 8:42 ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-04-26 9:20 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 10:44 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-04-26 12:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 16:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 17:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:37 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 18:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:55 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 21:34 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 19:11 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 17:14 ` Michael Tokarev
2007-04-27 19:35 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 20:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-26 20:50 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-27 14:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 16:31 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 19:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-27 20:23 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-28 12:51 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-27 21:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:02 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-26 18:13 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:41 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-26 21:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 9:33 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2007-04-28 19:08 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-28 22:11 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 22:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 22:42 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28 23:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 3:03 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-29 0:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 3:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:53 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704281529080. 9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-28 20:27 ` Russell King
2007-04-28 21:43 ` irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) Stefan Richter
2007-04-28 22:49 ` Linux 2.6.21 Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 13:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 16:34 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 16:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 17:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-14 6:29 ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 15:33 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 16:39 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 16:36 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-14 17:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-14 20:33 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14 20:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-15 23:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-15 23:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 1:32 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 2:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 5:03 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-16 13:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-16 12:23 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-16 12:54 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 0:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 9:41 ` [PATCH] (Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)) Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 10:22 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 11:47 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 14:24 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 14:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 17:44 ` david
2007-06-17 21:23 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 12:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 12:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 13:17 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 14:02 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 14:29 ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 16:15 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 16:26 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 16:47 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 18:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:44 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 18:50 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-22 12:01 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-06-22 14:19 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-22 15:25 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-17 17:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 17:42 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-17 18:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-17 18:53 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-17 19:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-17 19:33 ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-17 20:00 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 20:10 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-17 21:49 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 23:15 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18 0:22 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-18 0:32 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-18 5:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-18 13:23 ` Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-18 22:31 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 22:41 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-18 22:56 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-18 23:59 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 0:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 0:24 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 0:42 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 0:55 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 1:10 ` Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 4:06 ` This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?] Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 12:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 14:05 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 14:27 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:47 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:50 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 18:56 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 19:21 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 15:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 15:08 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-19 17:14 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 15:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 16:53 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-19 17:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-19 17:37 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 17:51 ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-21 23:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 0:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-21 23:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-19 13:30 ` Don Armstrong
2007-06-19 1:51 ` How to improve the quality of the kernel? Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
2007-06-19 2:27 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-06-19 11:06 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-17 23:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-18 1:04 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-17 18:54 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-06-19 0:28 ` regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21) Martin Bligh
2007-06-19 14:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-19 17:27 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-29 18:50 ` Linux 2.6.21 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 18:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 19:14 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:43 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 22:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 23:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 20:52 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-29 22:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30 6:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 23:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 18:18 ` Bugzilla (was Linux 2.6.21) Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-30 5:43 ` Linux 2.6.21 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 17:35 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 17:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 18:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 19:31 ` Russell King
2007-04-29 19:40 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 19:51 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-30 1:50 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30 4:54 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30 5:06 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-29 20:17 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 20:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 21:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 7:45 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-04-30 18:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30 18:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 19:25 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-04-29 22:36 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-29 23:18 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-29 23:41 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 0:05 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-04-30 7:54 ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 20:56 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 21:10 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:16 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:26 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-29 22:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:48 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 23:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 22:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 22:57 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-29 21:51 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-29 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 21:29 ` Francois Romieu
2007-05-02 19:59 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-29 20:01 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 21:26 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 21:41 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 22:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-29 20:38 ` Simon Arlott [this message]
2007-04-30 7:34 ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-29 23:55 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-30 0:13 ` Dave Jones
2007-04-30 1:14 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-30 1:31 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-30 5:02 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-30 7:59 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-04-30 16:51 ` David Lang
2007-04-29 7:34 ` Russell King
2007-04-28 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 22:58 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-28 23:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 0:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 21:27 ` Dave Jones
2007-04-29 21:27 ` David Lang
2007-04-29 22:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-29 0:20 ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-29 0:40 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29 0:28 ` Markus Rechberger
2007-04-29 3:40 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 6:43 ` David Lang
2007-04-29 9:34 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 9:40 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 6:01 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-29 9:53 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-29 7:37 ` Russell King
2007-04-28 23:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-28 23:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-29 3:41 ` David Miller
2007-04-29 8:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-30 18:13 ` Borislav Petkov
2007-04-26 17:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 21:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 23:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-27 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 23:08 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-26 17:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 18:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 18:58 ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 19:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:43 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:43 ` Francois Romieu
2007-04-26 19:53 ` Stephen Clark
[not found] ` <4630FC6C.6070902@seclark.us>
[not found] ` <4630FE8D.6090900@garzik.org>
2007-04-26 19:48 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 15:22 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 19:14 ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-26 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-26 21:02 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-26 21:02 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-27 21:36 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-26 6:30 ` Jan De Luyck
2007-04-26 8:23 ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27 6:30 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 8:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 19:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-27 4:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-26 19:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-26 21:59 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 7:52 linux
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2007-04-29 21:39 ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2007-04-29 21:04 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30 3:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-30 4:57 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-30 7:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 6:25 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30 14:56 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-30 6:09 Tomasz Chmielewski
2007-04-30 7:01 ` David Miller
2007-04-30 18:10 ` Adrian Bunk
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