From: Alexandre Chartre <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
jan.setjeeilers@oracle.com, Junaid Shahid <junaids@google.com>,
oweisse@google.com, Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.de>,
mgross@linux.intel.com, kuzuno@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 21/21] x86/pti: Use a different stack canary with the user and kernel page-table
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 19:34:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3cf22df6-86fd-91b3-6dde-ce28ca48a6f6@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrU5qnsxgLb6W5UPk8RRbbkFTTbjLxHefkBXCyk-2=uDcQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 11/16/20 5:56 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 6:48 AM Alexandre Chartre
> <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>> Using stack protector requires the stack canary to be mapped into
>> the current page-table. Now that the page-table switch between the
>> user and kernel page-table is deferred to C code, stack protector can
>> be used while the user page-table is active and so the stack canary
>> is mapped into the user page-table.
>>
>> To prevent leaking the stack canary used with the kernel page-table,
>> use a different canary with the user and kernel page-table. The stack
>> canary is changed when switching the page-table.
>
> Unless I've missed something, this doesn't have the security
> properties we want. One CPU can be executing with kernel CR3, and
> another CPU can read the stack canary using Meltdown.
I think you are right because we have the mapping to the stack canary in
the user page-table. From userspace, we will only read the user stack canary,
but using Meltdown we can speculatively read the kernel stack canary which
will be stored at the same place.
> I think that doing this safely requires mapping a different page with
> the stack canary in the two pagetables.
Right.
alex.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-16 18:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-16 14:47 [RFC][PATCH v2 00/21] x86/pti: Defer CR3 switch to C code Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 01/21] x86/syscall: Add wrapper for invoking syscall function Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 02/21] x86/entry: Update asm_call_on_stack to support more function arguments Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 03/21] x86/entry: Consolidate IST entry from userspace Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 04/21] x86/sev-es: Define a setup stack function for the VC idtentry Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 05/21] x86/entry: Implement ret_from_fork body with C code Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 06/21] x86/pti: Provide C variants of PTI switch CR3 macros Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 07/21] x86/entry: Fill ESPFIX stack using C code Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 08/21] x86/pti: Introduce per-task PTI trampoline stack Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 09/21] x86/pti: Function to clone page-table entries from a specified mm Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 10/21] x86/pti: Function to map per-cpu page-table entry Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 11/21] x86/pti: Extend PTI user mappings Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 19:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-16 20:21 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 23:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-17 8:42 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 15:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-19 19:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 12/21] x86/pti: Use PTI stack instead of trampoline stack Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 16:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-16 18:10 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 18:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-16 19:37 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 15:09 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 15:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-17 17:01 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-19 1:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-19 8:05 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-19 12:06 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-19 16:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-19 17:02 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 21:24 ` David Laight
2020-11-17 8:27 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-19 19:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-19 19:55 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-19 21:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-24 7:20 ` [x86/pti] 5da9e742d1: PANIC:double_fault kernel test robot
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 13/21] x86/pti: Execute syscall functions on the kernel stack Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 14/21] x86/pti: Execute IDT handlers " Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 15/21] x86/pti: Execute IDT handlers with error code " Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 16/21] x86/pti: Execute system vector handlers " Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 17/21] x86/pti: Execute page fault handler " Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 18/21] x86/pti: Execute NMI " Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 19/21] x86/pti: Defer CR3 switch to C code for IST entries Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 20/21] x86/pti: Defer CR3 switch to C code for non-IST and syscall entries Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 14:47 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 21/21] x86/pti: Use a different stack canary with the user and kernel page-table Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 16:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-16 18:34 ` Alexandre Chartre [this message]
2020-11-16 20:17 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 00/21] x86/pti: Defer CR3 switch to C code Borislav Petkov
2020-11-17 7:56 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 16:55 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-17 18:12 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 18:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-17 19:02 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 21:23 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-18 7:08 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 21:26 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-18 7:41 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-18 9:30 ` David Laight
2020-11-18 10:29 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-18 13:22 ` David Laight
2020-11-18 17:15 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-18 11:29 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-18 19:37 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-16 20:24 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-17 8:19 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-17 17:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-11-17 18:24 ` Alexandre Chartre
2020-11-19 19:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
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