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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	dpsmith@apertussolutions.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, hpa@zytor.com,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	nivedita@alum.mit.edu, kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com,
	trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 20:11:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230514191150.GA17168@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230514181817.GA9528@sol.localdomain>

On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 11:18:17AM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:24:22PM +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> > You're suggesting that because Linux has been slow to take D-RTM over
> > the past decade, you're going to intentionally break people with older
> > hardware just because you don't feel like using an older algorithm?
> > 
> > That's about the worst possible reason to not take support.
> > 
> > There really are people in the world with older TPM 1.2 systems where
> > this D-RTM using SHA1 only is an improvement over using the incumbent tboot.
> > 
> > ~Andrew
> 
> This patchset is proposing a new kernel feature.  So by definition, there are no
> existing users of it that can be broken.

The patchset reimplements a more extensible version of an existing 
feature which people already consume, and presumably people will be 
encouraged to transition to it. There is plenty of hardware that 
supports this feature that only implements SHA-1. If you want to propose 
that the kernel not implement any functionality that uses deprecated 
hash algorithms then that seems like a larger conversation rather than 
one that should focus on a single pachset.

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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	dpsmith@apertussolutions.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, hpa@zytor.com,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	nivedita@alum.mit.edu, kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com,
	trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 20:11:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230514191150.GA17168@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230514181817.GA9528@sol.localdomain>

On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 11:18:17AM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:24:22PM +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> > You're suggesting that because Linux has been slow to take D-RTM over
> > the past decade, you're going to intentionally break people with older
> > hardware just because you don't feel like using an older algorithm?
> > 
> > That's about the worst possible reason to not take support.
> > 
> > There really are people in the world with older TPM 1.2 systems where
> > this D-RTM using SHA1 only is an improvement over using the incumbent tboot.
> > 
> > ~Andrew
> 
> This patchset is proposing a new kernel feature.  So by definition, there are no
> existing users of it that can be broken.

The patchset reimplements a more extensible version of an existing 
feature which people already consume, and presumably people will be 
encouraged to transition to it. There is plenty of hardware that 
supports this feature that only implements SHA-1. If you want to propose 
that the kernel not implement any functionality that uses deprecated 
hash algorithms then that seems like a larger conversation rather than 
one that should focus on a single pachset.

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Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-04 14:50 [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 01/14] x86/boot: Place kernel_info at a fixed offset Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 02/14] Documentation/x86: Secure Launch kernel documentation Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:19   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:19     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:32     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:32       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06  8:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06  8:48     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-10 15:41     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 15:41       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 10:47   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:47     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:44     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:44       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:54         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 18:21         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 18:21           ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 13:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:19     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 03/14] x86: Secure Launch Kconfig Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 04/14] x86: Secure Launch Resource Table header file Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:22   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:22     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:34     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:34       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:04   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-15 20:58     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 20:58       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 10:55   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:55     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:15     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:15       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:22       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:22         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  0:41         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  0:41           ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:43           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:43             ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:01             ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:01               ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:15               ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:15                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-07-07 19:31                 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-07-07 19:31                   ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 05/14] x86: Secure Launch main " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:25   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:25     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:37     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:37       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:00   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:00     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:10     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:10       ` Ross Philipson
2023-10-31 21:37       ` ross.philipson
2023-10-31 21:37         ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:34   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:34     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-09 16:09     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-09 16:09       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-10  1:21   ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10  1:21     ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10 22:28     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 11:04     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:04       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:18       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:18         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:28         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:28           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:58           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:58             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 12:24             ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 12:24               ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-14 18:18               ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 18:18                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 19:11                 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2023-05-14 19:11                   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 13:24           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:24             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 16:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:13               ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 18:17               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:17                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 19:12                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:12                   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:42                   ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 19:42                     ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-15 21:23     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:23       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-11  3:33   ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-11  3:33     ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-16  0:50     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  0:50       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 07/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel early boot stub Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:47   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:47     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:58     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:58       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:46       ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:46         ` Simon Horman
2023-05-12 11:26   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:26     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:17     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:17       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:27       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:27         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:11       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:11         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:45         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:45           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-15 18:00           ` Ross Philipson
2023-06-15 18:00             ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:04   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:13     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:13       ` Ross Philipson
2023-09-20 21:40     ` ross.philipson
2023-09-20 21:40       ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 08/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel late " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:52   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:52     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:02   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:02     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:58     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:58       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-24  2:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24  2:55         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 15:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:06     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:06       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 09/14] x86: Secure Launch SMP bringup support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:54   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:54     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-11 16:21     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-11 16:21       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:19     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:19       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 10/14] kexec: Secure Launch kexec SEXIT support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 11/14] reboot: Secure Launch SEXIT support on reboot paths Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:40   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:40     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 18:16     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 18:16       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16  1:23       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:23         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 12/14] x86: Secure Launch late initcall platform module Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:42   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:42     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-08 15:07     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-08 15:07       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:39     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:53     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:53       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:40   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:54     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:54       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 13/14] tpm: Allow locality 2 to be set when initializing the TPM for Secure Launch Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:43   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:43     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:22     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:22       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16  1:37       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:37         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 14/14] x86: EFI stub DRTM launch support " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05  8:39   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05 15:45   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 15:45     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06  7:56     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06  7:56       ` Bagas Sanjaya

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