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From: "Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	hpa@zytor.com, ardb@kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	nivedita@alum.mit.edu, kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com,
	trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 04/14] x86: Secure Launch Resource Table header file
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:01:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eda6da3a-00fe-21c5-5a3d-3e06d21179f4@apertussolutions.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230516014310.GA5403@srcf.ucam.org>

On 5/15/23 21:43, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 08:41:00PM -0400, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
>> On 5/15/23 17:22, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> What if I don't use grub, but use something that behaves equivalently?
>>> Which value should be used here?
>>
>> Generally we would request that the bootloader submit a request to register
>> for a value to be reserved in the spec. That aside, the intent here is to
>> allow for the possibility for the DLE handler to be independent from the
>> bootloader, but this does not have to be this way. If a non-open entity
>> decides to produce their own implementation, they can freely use a
>> unallocated value at their own risk that it could be allocated to another
>> bootloader in the future. Though in this scenario it likely would not matter
>> as the non-open DLE handler would only be present when the non-open
>> bootloader was present.
> 
> Is the expectation that the DLE will always be shipped with the
> bootloader? I think I'm not entirely clear on what's consuming this and
> why.
> 

No, in fact, an early idea proposed by a pair of us in the TrenchBoot 
community was to have it live either as a Runtime Service that was 
loaded by a UEFI app or in the coreboot UEFI payload.

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From: "Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	hpa@zytor.com, ardb@kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	nivedita@alum.mit.edu, kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com,
	trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 04/14] x86: Secure Launch Resource Table header file
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:01:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eda6da3a-00fe-21c5-5a3d-3e06d21179f4@apertussolutions.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230516014310.GA5403@srcf.ucam.org>

On 5/15/23 21:43, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 08:41:00PM -0400, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
>> On 5/15/23 17:22, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> What if I don't use grub, but use something that behaves equivalently?
>>> Which value should be used here?
>>
>> Generally we would request that the bootloader submit a request to register
>> for a value to be reserved in the spec. That aside, the intent here is to
>> allow for the possibility for the DLE handler to be independent from the
>> bootloader, but this does not have to be this way. If a non-open entity
>> decides to produce their own implementation, they can freely use a
>> unallocated value at their own risk that it could be allocated to another
>> bootloader in the future. Though in this scenario it likely would not matter
>> as the non-open DLE handler would only be present when the non-open
>> bootloader was present.
> 
> Is the expectation that the DLE will always be shipped with the
> bootloader? I think I'm not entirely clear on what's consuming this and
> why.
> 

No, in fact, an early idea proposed by a pair of us in the TrenchBoot 
community was to have it live either as a Runtime Service that was 
loaded by a UEFI app or in the coreboot UEFI payload.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-16 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-04 14:50 [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 01/14] x86/boot: Place kernel_info at a fixed offset Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 02/14] Documentation/x86: Secure Launch kernel documentation Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:19   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:19     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:32     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:32       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06  8:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06  8:48     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-10 15:41     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 15:41       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 10:47   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:47     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:44     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:44       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:54         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 18:21         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 18:21           ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 13:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:19     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 03/14] x86: Secure Launch Kconfig Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 04/14] x86: Secure Launch Resource Table header file Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:22   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:22     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:34     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:34       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:04   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-15 20:58     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 20:58       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 10:55   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:55     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:15     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:15       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:22       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:22         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  0:41         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  0:41           ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:43           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:43             ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:01             ` Daniel P. Smith [this message]
2023-06-16 20:01               ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:15               ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:15                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-07-07 19:31                 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-07-07 19:31                   ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 05/14] x86: Secure Launch main " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:25   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:25     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:37     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:37       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:00   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:00     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:10     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:10       ` Ross Philipson
2023-10-31 21:37       ` ross.philipson
2023-10-31 21:37         ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:34   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:34     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-09 16:09     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-09 16:09       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-10  1:21   ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10  1:21     ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10 22:28     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 11:04     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:04       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:18       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:18         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:28         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:28           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:58           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:58             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 12:24             ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 12:24               ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-14 18:18               ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 18:18                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 19:11                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-14 19:11                   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 13:24           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:24             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 16:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:13               ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 18:17               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:17                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 19:12                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:12                   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:42                   ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 19:42                     ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-15 21:23     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:23       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-11  3:33   ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-11  3:33     ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-16  0:50     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  0:50       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 07/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel early boot stub Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:47   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:47     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:58     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:58       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:46       ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:46         ` Simon Horman
2023-05-12 11:26   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:26     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:17     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:17       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:27       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:27         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:11       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:11         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:45         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:45           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-15 18:00           ` Ross Philipson
2023-06-15 18:00             ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:04   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:13     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:13       ` Ross Philipson
2023-09-20 21:40     ` ross.philipson
2023-09-20 21:40       ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 08/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel late " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:52   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:52     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:02   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:02     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:58     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:58       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-24  2:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24  2:55         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 15:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:06     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:06       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 09/14] x86: Secure Launch SMP bringup support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:54   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:54     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-11 16:21     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-11 16:21       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:19     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:19       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 10/14] kexec: Secure Launch kexec SEXIT support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 11/14] reboot: Secure Launch SEXIT support on reboot paths Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:40   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:40     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 18:16     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 18:16       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16  1:23       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:23         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 12/14] x86: Secure Launch late initcall platform module Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:42   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:42     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-08 15:07     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-08 15:07       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:39     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:53     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:53       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:40   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:54     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:54       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 13/14] tpm: Allow locality 2 to be set when initializing the TPM for Secure Launch Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:43   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:43     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:22     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:22       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16  1:37       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:37         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 14/14] x86: EFI stub DRTM launch support " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05  8:39   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05 15:45   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 15:45     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06  7:56     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06  7:56       ` Bagas Sanjaya

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