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From: "Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>
To: Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	hpa@zytor.com, ardb@kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	nivedita@alum.mit.edu, kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com,
	trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 07/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel early boot stub
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 21:11:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ff17d2b-7030-fbbd-c495-b43583e3f9e7@apertussolutions.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98decbe9-846a-6d36-aa7a-f906a19fa6cf@oracle.com>

On 5/12/23 12:17, Ross Philipson wrote:
> On 5/12/23 07:26, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 02:50:16PM +0000, Ross Philipson wrote:
>>
>>> +static void sl_find_event_log(struct slr_table *slrt)
>>
>> If this is called after the EFI stub then we're presumably
>> post-ExitBootServices and we're copied the TPM event log into a
>> configuration table so it's available to the runtime kernel. That also
>> means that we should be adding all further measurements to the Final
>> Events Table rather than the initial event log. How's that handled here,
>> both in terms of ensuring further events (generated by firmware or by
>> us) get added to the right place, and in terms of ensuring the event
>> logs the kernel has later on were covered appropriately? Or is the SL
>> event log an entirely different thing that can be merged in later
>> because it only covers the DRTM PCRs?
> 
> This is a good point. At this point it is really something we 
> overlooked. We will have to revisit this and figure out the best way to 
> find the final event log depending on how things booted.

I believe Ross misunderstood what you were asking for here. There are 
two reasons this is not possible or desired. The first reason is that on 
Intel, the DRTM log is not initialized by TrenchBoot code in the 
preamble. It is only responsible for allocating a buffer and recording 
the location in the TXT structures. When the SINIT ACM is executed, it 
will initialize the log and record the measurement that CPU sent 
directly to the TPM and then the measurements the ACM makes of the 
environment. If you pointed at the SRTM log, then the ACM would write 
over existing log, which I don't think you want. Now if you pointed at 
the tail end of the SRTM log, you would still end up with a second, 
separate log that just happens to be memory adjacent. The second reason 
is more from a trusted computing perspective, these are two different 
trust chains starting from two different Roots of Trust reflecting two 
different temporal states of the system, i.e. freshness. Typically this 
is were most will point out the need to have a measure of the resident 
firmware, i.e. SMM. To address that, should Intel to publish the spec 
for interacting with PPAM[1], TrenchBoot will be able to finally close 
the SMM gap, giving runtime validation of SMM.

[1] 
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/central-libraries/us/en/documents/drtm-based-computing-whitepaper.pdf

v/r,
dps

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From: "Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>
To: Ross Philipson <ross.philipson@oracle.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	hpa@zytor.com, ardb@kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	nivedita@alum.mit.edu, kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com,
	trenchboot-devel@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 07/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel early boot stub
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 21:11:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ff17d2b-7030-fbbd-c495-b43583e3f9e7@apertussolutions.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98decbe9-846a-6d36-aa7a-f906a19fa6cf@oracle.com>

On 5/12/23 12:17, Ross Philipson wrote:
> On 5/12/23 07:26, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 02:50:16PM +0000, Ross Philipson wrote:
>>
>>> +static void sl_find_event_log(struct slr_table *slrt)
>>
>> If this is called after the EFI stub then we're presumably
>> post-ExitBootServices and we're copied the TPM event log into a
>> configuration table so it's available to the runtime kernel. That also
>> means that we should be adding all further measurements to the Final
>> Events Table rather than the initial event log. How's that handled here,
>> both in terms of ensuring further events (generated by firmware or by
>> us) get added to the right place, and in terms of ensuring the event
>> logs the kernel has later on were covered appropriately? Or is the SL
>> event log an entirely different thing that can be merged in later
>> because it only covers the DRTM PCRs?
> 
> This is a good point. At this point it is really something we 
> overlooked. We will have to revisit this and figure out the best way to 
> find the final event log depending on how things booted.

I believe Ross misunderstood what you were asking for here. There are 
two reasons this is not possible or desired. The first reason is that on 
Intel, the DRTM log is not initialized by TrenchBoot code in the 
preamble. It is only responsible for allocating a buffer and recording 
the location in the TXT structures. When the SINIT ACM is executed, it 
will initialize the log and record the measurement that CPU sent 
directly to the TPM and then the measurements the ACM makes of the 
environment. If you pointed at the SRTM log, then the ACM would write 
over existing log, which I don't think you want. Now if you pointed at 
the tail end of the SRTM log, you would still end up with a second, 
separate log that just happens to be memory adjacent. The second reason 
is more from a trusted computing perspective, these are two different 
trust chains starting from two different Roots of Trust reflecting two 
different temporal states of the system, i.e. freshness. Typically this 
is were most will point out the need to have a measure of the resident 
firmware, i.e. SMM. To address that, should Intel to publish the spec 
for interacting with PPAM[1], TrenchBoot will be able to finally close 
the SMM gap, giving runtime validation of SMM.

[1] 
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/central-libraries/us/en/documents/drtm-based-computing-whitepaper.pdf

v/r,
dps

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Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-04 14:50 [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 01/14] x86/boot: Place kernel_info at a fixed offset Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 02/14] Documentation/x86: Secure Launch kernel documentation Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:19   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:19     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:32     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:32       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06  8:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06  8:48     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-10 15:41     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 15:41       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 10:47   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:47     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:44     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:44       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 16:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 16:54         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 18:21         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 18:21           ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 13:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:19     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 03/14] x86: Secure Launch Kconfig Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 04/14] x86: Secure Launch Resource Table header file Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:22   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:22     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:34     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:34       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:04   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-15 20:58     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 20:58       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-12 10:55   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 10:55     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:15     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:15       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:22       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 21:22         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  0:41         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  0:41           ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:43           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:43             ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:01             ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:01               ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-06-16 20:15               ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-16 20:15                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-07-07 19:31                 ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-07-07 19:31                   ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 05/14] x86: Secure Launch main " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:25   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:25     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:37     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:37       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:00   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:00     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:10     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:10       ` Ross Philipson
2023-10-31 21:37       ` ross.philipson
2023-10-31 21:37         ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 06/14] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 16:34   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 16:34     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-09 16:09     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-09 16:09       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-10  1:21   ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10  1:21     ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-10 22:28     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 11:04     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:04       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:18       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:18         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:28         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:28           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:58           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 11:58             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-05-12 12:24             ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 12:24               ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-14 18:18               ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 18:18                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-14 19:11                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-14 19:11                   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 13:24           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 13:24             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 16:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:13               ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 18:17               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:17                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 19:12                 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:12                   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 19:42                   ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-12 19:42                     ` Andrew Cooper
2023-05-15 21:23     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-15 21:23       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-11  3:33   ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-11  3:33     ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-16  0:50     ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  0:50       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 07/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel early boot stub Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:47   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:47     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:58     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:58       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:46       ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:46         ` Simon Horman
2023-05-12 11:26   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:26     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:17     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:17       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:27       ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:27         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:11       ` Daniel P. Smith [this message]
2023-05-16  1:11         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:45         ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-16  1:45           ` Matthew Garrett
2023-06-15 18:00           ` Ross Philipson
2023-06-15 18:00             ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:04   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:13     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:13       ` Ross Philipson
2023-09-20 21:40     ` ross.philipson
2023-09-20 21:40       ` ross.philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 08/14] x86: Secure Launch kernel late " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:52   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:52     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 23:02   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 23:02     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:58     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:58       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-24  2:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-24  2:55         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 15:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:06     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:06       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 09/14] x86: Secure Launch SMP bringup support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 17:54   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 17:54     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 18:59     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 18:59       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-11 16:21     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-11 16:21       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 18:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-12 18:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 20:19     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 20:19       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 10/14] kexec: Secure Launch kexec SEXIT support Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 11/14] reboot: Secure Launch SEXIT support on reboot paths Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:40   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:40     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-15 18:16     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-15 18:16       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16  1:23       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:23         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 12/14] x86: Secure Launch late initcall platform module Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 19:42   ` Simon Horman
2023-05-05 19:42     ` Simon Horman
2023-05-08 15:07     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-08 15:07       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:39   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:39     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:53     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:53       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-10 22:40   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-10 22:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2023-05-12 15:54     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 15:54       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 13/14] tpm: Allow locality 2 to be set when initializing the TPM for Secure Launch Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 11:43   ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 11:43     ` Matthew Garrett
2023-05-12 16:22     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-12 16:22       ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-16  1:37       ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-16  1:37         ` Daniel P. Smith
2023-05-04 14:50 ` [PATCH v6 14/14] x86: EFI stub DRTM launch support " Ross Philipson
2023-05-04 14:50   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/14] x86: Trenchboot secure dynamic launch Linux kernel support Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05  8:39   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-05 15:45   ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-05 15:45     ` Ross Philipson
2023-05-06  7:56     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-05-06  7:56       ` Bagas Sanjaya

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