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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>,
	Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:51:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1291747889.2032.985.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOQ5sWigfW844dSBc2PvVwFj5c7yu+scNXxMcv@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 12:47 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Nice levels are _not_ about group scheduling. They're about
> priorities. And since the cgroup code doesn't even support priority
> levels for the groups, it's a really *horrible* match. 

It does in fact, nice maps to a weight, we then schedule so that each
entity (be it task or group) gets a proportional amount of time relative
to the other entities (of the same parent).

The scheduler basically solves the following differential equation:
  dt_i = w_i * dt / \Sum_j w_j


For tasks we map nice to weight like:

static const int prio_to_weight[40] = {
 /* -20 */     88761,     71755,     56483,     46273,     36291,
 /* -15 */     29154,     23254,     18705,     14949,     11916,
 /* -10 */      9548,      7620,      6100,      4904,      3906,
 /*  -5 */      3121,      2501,      1991,      1586,      1277,
 /*   0 */      1024,       820,       655,       526,       423,
 /*   5 */       335,       272,       215,       172,       137,
 /*  10 */       110,        87,        70,        56,        45,
 /*  15 */        36,        29,        23,        18,        15,
};

For groups we expose the weight directly in cgroupfs://cpu.shares with a
default equivalent to nice-0 (1024).

So 'nice make -j9' will run make and all its children with weight=110,
if this task hierarchy has ~9 runnable tasks it will get about as much
time as a single nice-0 competing task.

[ 9*110 = 990, 1*1024 = 1024, which gives: 49% vs 51% ]


Now group scheduling is in fact closely related to nice, the only thing
group scheduling does is:

  w_i = \unit * \Prod_j { w_i,j / \Sum_k w_k,j }, where:

     j \elem i and its parents
     k \elem entities of group j (where a task is a trivial group)

Where we compute a task's effective weight (w_i) by multiplying it with
the effective weight of their ancestors.

Suppose a grouped make -j9 against 1 competing task (all nice-0 or
equivalent), and make's 9 active children [a..i] in the group G:


        R
      /   \
     t     G
          / \
         a...i

So w_t = 1024, w_G = 1024 and w_[a..i] = 1024.

Now, per the above the effective weight (weight as in the root group) of
each grouped task is:

  w_[a..i] = 1024 * 1024/2048 * 1024/9216 ~= 56
  w_t      = 1024 * 1024/2048             = 512

[ \Sum w_[a..i] = 512, vs 512 gives: 50% vs 50% ]

So effectively: nice make -j9, and stuffing the make -j9 in a group are
roughly equivalent.

The only difference between groups and nice is the interface, with nice
you set the weight directly, with groups you set it implicitly,
depending on the runnable task state.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-07 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 323+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-19  9:16 [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19  9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19  9:39   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19  9:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19  9:46       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21  7:55       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 10:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19  9:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19  9:42   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 11:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 11:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-19 13:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 15:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-10-19 18:13     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 18:53       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-20  2:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-21  8:11           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21  8:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-21  8:39               ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21  8:48             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-10-21  8:52               ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                 ` <20101021115723.GA1587@arch.trippelsdorf.de>
2010-10-21 16:22                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-21 10:51             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-21 11:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-21 16:29                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-10-21 19:11                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-26  7:07                   ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] " Mike Galbraith
2010-10-26  7:29                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-26 15:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-10-27  1:58                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 15:26                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 18:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11 18:34                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-11 19:08                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 19:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-11 20:29                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-11 19:15                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-11 19:35                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 19:38                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-11 19:58                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 20:27                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-11 22:20                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-12 18:12                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-13 11:42                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-14 17:19                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-14 17:49                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-14 18:10                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-14 19:28                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-14 20:20                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-14 20:27                                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-14 20:48                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-14 23:43                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15  0:15                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-15  0:26                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-15  1:13                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15  3:12                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-15 14:00                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15  8:57                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 11:32                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 11:46                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 12:57                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-15 21:25                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 22:48                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16  1:56                                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16  2:18                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17  8:06                                                                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-16 14:02                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 14:11                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 14:47                                                                         ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-16 17:03                                                                           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 17:11                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 18:16                                                                               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 18:21                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 18:33                                                                                   ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 18:55                                                                                     ` david
2010-11-16 18:59                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:09                                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:13                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:22                                                                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:25                                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:40                                                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:43                                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:49                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 19:35                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 20:03                                                                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:12                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 18:49                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 19:03                                                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-16 20:21                                                                                     ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-16 20:35                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 20:31                                                                                     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 13:21                                                                                       ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-16 19:08                                                                                   ` david
2010-11-16 20:33                                                                                     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:38                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 21:14                                                                                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 13:23                                                                                           ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-18 22:33                                                                                           ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2010-11-18 23:12                                                                                             ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-18 23:35                                                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-18 23:43                                                                                                 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-18 23:51                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19  0:02                                                                                                     ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19  0:07                                                                                                       ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 11:57                                                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 14:24                                                                                                           ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 14:43                                                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 14:55                                                                                                               ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19  0:42                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19  0:59                                                                                                         ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19  1:11                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19  1:12                                                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19  1:23                                                                                                             ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19  2:28                                                                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19  9:02                                                                                                                 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 11:49                                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 12:19                                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 12:55                                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-19 13:00                                                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 13:20                                                                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-19 12:31                                                                                                     ` Paul Menage
2010-11-19 12:51                                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 13:03                                                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19 12:38                                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-22  6:22                                                                                                     ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-18 23:29                                                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 20:44                                                                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-16 19:27                                                                                   ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-16 19:42                                                                                     ` Diego Calleja
2010-11-16 19:45                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 19:56                                                                                       ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 20:17                                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 20:50                                                                                       ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-20 22:16                                                                                         ` Mika Laitio
2010-11-21  0:19                                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 20:28                                                                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:46                                                                                     ` David Miller
2010-11-16 21:08                                                                                       ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 21:14                                                                                         ` David Miller
2010-11-16 20:52                                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 21:08                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 21:19                                                                                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 23:39                                                                                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17  0:21                                                                                             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17  2:06                                                                                               ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17 14:57                                                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-17 15:01                                                                                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 17:16                                                                                                     ` John Stoffel
2010-11-19  5:20                                                                                                 ` Andev
2010-11-19 11:59                                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 13:03                                                                                                     ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-19 13:07                                                                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 16:29                                                                                                         ` David Miller
2010-11-19 16:34                                                                                                           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-19 16:43                                                                                                             ` David Miller
2010-11-19 17:51                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 19:12                                                                                                                 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-19 19:48                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20  1:33                                                                                                                     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-19 20:38                                                                                                                   ` Paul Menage
2010-11-20  1:13                                                                                                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-20  4:25                                                                                                                     ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-20 15:41                                                                                                                       ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-22  6:24                                                                                                                         ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-22 19:21                                                                                                                           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-19 19:31                                                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19 13:21                                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 22:34                                                                                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 22:37                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 22:45                                                                                             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 22:52                                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 15:00                                                                                                 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-17 23:49                                                                                               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 21:17                                                                                       ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 20:59                                                                                     ` James Cloos
2010-11-22  6:16                                                                                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-16 18:57                                                                                 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-16 19:12                                                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:57                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 20:36                                                                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 19:42                                                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-16 18:08                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 18:56                                                                               ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-16 20:05                                                                               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:15                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19  0:35                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-19  0:42                                                                                   ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19  3:15                                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20101120090955.GB12043@balbir.in.ibm.com>
2010-11-20 19:47                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 13:04                                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-16 14:18                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 15:03                                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-16 15:41                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 17:28                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-16 17:42                                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-20 19:35                                                                             ` [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session " Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 15:39                                                                               ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature: " tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2010-12-15 17:50                                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-16  7:53                                                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-16 14:09                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-16 15:07                                                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-04 14:18                                                                                       ` [tip:sched/core] sched, autogroup: Fix potential access to freed memory tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2010-12-20 13:08                                                                                 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature: automated per session task groups Bharata B Rao
2010-12-20 13:19                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-20 15:46                                                                                     ` Bharata B Rao
2010-12-20 15:53                                                                                       ` Bharata B Rao
2010-12-21  8:33                                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-20 16:39                                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-21  5:04                                                                                         ` Bharata B Rao
2010-12-21  5:50                                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-04 17:39                                                                               ` [PATCH v4] sched: " Colin Walters
2010-12-04 18:33                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-04 20:01                                                                                   ` Colin Walters
2010-12-04 22:39                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-04 23:43                                                                                       ` Colin Walters
2010-12-05  0:31                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-05  7:47                                                                                         ` Ray Lee
2010-12-05 19:22                                                                                           ` Colin Walters
2010-12-05 20:47                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-05 22:47                                                                                               ` Colin Walters
2010-12-05 22:58                                                                                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-12-05 23:05                                                                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2010-12-07 18:51                                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-12-05 10:18                                                                                         ` Con Kolivas
2010-12-05 11:36                                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-05 20:58                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-12-04 23:31                                                                                     ` david
2010-12-05 11:11                                                                                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-12-05 15:12                                                                                       ` [PATCH v4] Regression: " Alan Cox
2010-12-05 16:16                                                                                         ` Florian Mickler
2010-12-05 19:48                                                                                           ` Alan Cox
2010-12-06 16:03                                                                                             ` Florian Mickler
2010-12-05 16:59                                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-05 17:09                                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-05 17:15                                                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-06  0:28                                                                                     ` [PATCH v4] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-16 14:01                                                                   ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty " Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 14:19                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-17  1:31                                                                   ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-17  1:50                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17  1:56                                                                       ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-17  2:14                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15  0:02                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 22:41                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-15 23:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20 19:33                               ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-20 19:51                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-20 20:37                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-20 22:02                                   ` Konstantin Svist
2010-11-20 22:15                                     ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-20 22:18                                     ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2010-11-20 20:25                                 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-15 23:46                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 23:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16  0:04                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16  1:18                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16  1:55                                     ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 12:58                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 18:25                                         ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 13:59                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 14:26                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 11:27               ` [RFC/RFT PATCH] " Mike Galbraith
2010-10-20 13:55 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-10-20 14:41   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-21 13:37 [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session " Ingo Molnar
2010-11-21 13:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-21 15:44   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-21 16:35     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-21 16:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-21 18:43 ` Gene Heskett
2010-11-25 16:00 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-28 14:24   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-28 19:31     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-28 20:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 11:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-29 12:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 13:45             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 13:47               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 14:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 16:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-29 16:44             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 17:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-29 18:03               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:06               ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 19:20                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30  3:39                   ` Paul Turner
2010-11-30  4:14                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30  4:23                       ` Paul Turner
2010-11-30 13:18                         ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 13:48                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-30 13:59                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 14:13                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 16:41                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 15:17                           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-30 17:13                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 19:36                               ` Vivek Goyal
2010-12-01  5:01                                 ` Américo Wang
2010-12-01  6:09                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 11:36                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 22:12                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-01  5:57                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 11:33                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 11:55                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 14:55                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-12-01 15:04                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30  7:54                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 14:18                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 14:53                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 15:01                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-30 15:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 16:28                       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29  5:45       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01  3:39     ` Paul Turner
2010-12-01  3:39     ` Paul Turner
2010-12-01  6:16       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-03  5:11         ` Paul Turner
2010-12-03  6:48           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-03  8:37             ` Paul Turner
2010-12-04 23:55           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-12-05  5:11             ` Paul Turner
2010-12-07 11:32               ` Paul Turner
2010-12-15 12:10                 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-01 11:34       ` Peter Zijlstra

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