From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: tom_gall@mac.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:08:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021004140802.E24148@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AD47B5CD-D7DB-11D6-A2D4-0003939E069A@mac.com>; from tom_gall@mac.com on Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 03:55:55PM -0500
> I noticed Larry recently changed the license on bk. Once clause in
This isn't a recent change at all, I know it is at least 6 months old
because it was included in
BitKeeper version is bk-2.1.6-pre5 20020330075529 for x86-glibc22-linux
Built by: lm@redhat71.bitmover.com in /build/bk-2.1.x-lm/src
Built on: Sat Mar 30 00:14:45 PST 2002
> (d) Notwithstanding any other terms in this License, this
> License is not available to You if You and/or your
> employer develop, produce, sell, and/or resell a
> product which contains substantially similar capabil-
> ities of the BitKeeper Software, or, in the reason-
> able opinion of BitMover, competes with the BitKeeper
> Software.
>
> Doesn't this affect maintainers all across the map that work for
> distros such as RedHat, SuSE, Connectiva, etc? Obviously these distros
> SELL as part of their respective products CVS and similar tools. Or
> even non-distro open source shops, you even resell CVS or the like in
> some way and you'd be in trouble.
Distributions do not *SELL* CVS, they distribute CVS. We choose those
words with care for exactly that reason. All the clause is saying is
that if you are a competitor you don't get to use our product for free.
That it, in our opinion, a perfectly reasonable position to take.
> While I am all for Larry having a profitable business, this would seem
> to be a change which is not Open Source developer friendly.
The clause is specifically designed to target those companies which
produce or sell commercial SCM systems. That's why we explicitly
left out "distribute". The open source developers have nothing to
worry about.
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
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2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-10-04 21:33 ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 0:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 1:54 ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05 0:50 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06 2:17 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28 ` David S. Miller
[not found] ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06 0:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 3:40 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06 8:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 8:46 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 9:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 9:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09 0:51 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02 ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06 0:49 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 4:43 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 5:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 7:43 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 8:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 9:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 0:42 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06 8:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04 ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35 ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12 ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 6:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07 6:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10 ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 4:25 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 9:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 3:35 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:01 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07 2:10 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 2:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 3:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10 3:48 ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08 9:11 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 1:05 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06 0:34 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:45 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54 ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07 1:21 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 6:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07 9:37 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19 ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49 ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50 ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10 1:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 1:47 ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10 8:09 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 8:28 ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 3:50 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10 4:16 ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10 4:56 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10 7:33 ` Jirka David
2002-10-10 7:26 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57 ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 0:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10 7:31 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56 ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28 ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52 ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:27 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:32 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 0:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06 0:48 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48 ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41 ` Hans Reiser
[not found] <fa.fl3olav.51slo1@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.chp9htv.i4632g@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-05 14:30 ` walt
2002-10-05 15:10 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 15:30 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 15:57 ` tom_gall
2002-10-05 23:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 0:19 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 0:51 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 1:00 ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 5:24 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 7:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-10-05 16:18 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 17:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:12 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 17:43 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-06 17:58 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 18:33 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 21:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-06 21:26 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 21:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 5:24 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:56 ` FD Cami
2002-10-06 18:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 21:22 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 1:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-10 21:19 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-11 13:39 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 17:10 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 19:30 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-07 20:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 17:18 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:19 ` David Lang
2002-10-07 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 21:27 Hell.Surfers
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