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From: tom_gall@mac.com
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?]
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:56:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6BB2BEDE-DA26-11D6-990A-0003939E069A@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021007001137.A6352@elf.ucw.cz>


On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 05:11 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:

> Hi!
>
>> We're a business.  We're a business which happens to be committed to
>> helping the kernel team because we think that the kernel is vital to
>> the world at large.  Helping the kernel absolutely does not translate
>> to helping people who happen to be our competitors.  By your own
>
> Stop lying. Your job is to make lots of money and you are using Linux
> as cheap advertising. You are trying to make people pay *you* to do
> kernel development (as it stands you want $5000 for any bk-using
> developer inside RedHat and SuSE).

O Please!  As the person that started this thread this is way way way 
way out there and quite frankly I find offensive.

I do NOT honestly think that Larry made the change to the license that 
he did for the express purpose of milking some set of companies out of 
$$$$.  That's just dumb.

Like Larry and others who have made some rather good points over the 
couple of days, I think we're all trying to find a way to reasonably 
solve this that is is everyone's best interesting, including Larry's 
company.

Granted it's a different kind of license, (IE Microsoft doesn't have a 
clause in IE that says Netscape developers can't use IE) but hey, it's 
Larry's company and he's perfectly in his rights to do so.  It is 
truely a good thing that Larry is allowing some set of us in the open 
source community to use his product without costs. Personally I'm 
willing to pay a reasonable license fee for it but it's gotta be 
something that I can afford without getting my head torn off by my 
wife. Of course the other solution is to adjust the license a bit so 
folks like me who are just doing kernel work and not in competition 
with Larry's company (no matter what others in my company are doing) 
can use it.

That's what I hope for...   maybe it'll come true.

Regards,

Tom


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-07 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 223+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33   ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05  0:04           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05  1:54               ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:50     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:17       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
     [not found]         ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]           ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
     [not found]             ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]               ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
     [not found]                 ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06  0:42                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  3:40                       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06  8:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  8:46                         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  9:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:24                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27                             ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04                               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15                                 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09  0:51                                 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49                                   ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58                                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44                                         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58                                           ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32                                               ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52                                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02                                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06  0:49                     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  4:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  5:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06  7:43                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  8:13                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:21                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12                             ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03                           ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:42                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  8:00                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04                         ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52                           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35                               ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48                           ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08                               ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06                                   ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12                                   ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23                               ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07  6:07                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10                         ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  4:25                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  9:00                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  3:35               ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47             ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:01                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07  2:10                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  2:29                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  3:07                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10  3:48                       ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08  9:11                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08  1:05                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  0:34             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:45               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46           ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54             ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39                 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07  1:21                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07  6:29                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:27                     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07  9:37                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19                   ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11       ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49         ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50               ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10  1:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  1:47                   ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10  8:09                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10  8:28                   ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55               ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  3:50                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  4:16                   ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10  4:56                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  7:33                       ` Jirka David
2002-10-10  7:26                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04                 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28                         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57                       ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  0:03               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10  7:31                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56         ` tom_gall [this message]
2002-10-07 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28             ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36             ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52               ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04                 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17                   ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:27     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:32       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53   ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06  0:48     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21       ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48   ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41     ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-10  0:37 BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Dan Kegel

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