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From: Skip Ford <skip.ford@verizon.net>
To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@conectiva.com.br>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 13:03:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200210061703.g96H3w1I004486@pool-141-150-241-241.delv.east.verizon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021006163831.GA16144@conectiva.com.br>; from acme@conectiva.com.br on Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 01:38:32PM -0300

Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> Em Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 03:43:08AM -0400, Skip Ford escreveu:
> > Linus Torvalds wrote:
>  
> > > I don't do any pre-patches or daily patches any more, because it's all
> > > automated.  There are several snapshot bots that give you patches a lot
> > > more often than "every 2 days".  You don't need BK to use it, it's there in
> > > the good old diff format. 
> 
> > However, a much larger percentage of patches are applied to your tree without
> > a diff being posted to lkml first.  My only wish would be that you only
> > accept patches through the mailing list, and only from posts that include at
> > least a link to a diff.
> 
> Are you dying to see X.25, lapbether, LLC, IPX and other non-sexy/mainstream
> patches here? I can start doing it for the stuff I've been sending only via
> bitkeeper to David Miller, I'm mostly alone in this and having people
> commenting on it would be great, but I don't think that people that have
> interest in this aren't helping/commenting because I don't post the changesets
> here, after all if they're interested they can use the regular releases from
> Linus or the diffs provided by bot services generally available.

I was thinking more of just sharing the code.  There are more trees out
there than just Linus'.  Deciding to apply one of your patches is much
easier if we have the specific patch, rather than just a 600k patch from
Linus that happens to include your patch buried inside it.

> If people think that this will help with development of the stuff I work with,
> please say so.
> 
> Patches that touches the networking core, etc, I post to netdev, and not here,
> and this is done by lots of other people, for several subsystems, and
> contributes to the feeling that things are not being posted to lkml. They are
> not, never had, nothing new, only BK has a license people disagree with and all
> of a sudden is the reason for patches not being more reviewed, etc. I beg to
> disagree.

I'm not bitching about bk here.  It's clearly improved Linus'
productivity.  I don't use it, but I like Linus using it.  And with
the udiff-ing of each changeset, I can see each patch he applied, even
if it wasn't sent to lkml.  That wasn't possible before bk.  It's the
next best thing to actually having the author of the patch think others
may want the same patch Linus wants.

-- 
Skip

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-06 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33   ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05  0:04           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05  1:54               ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:50     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:17       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
     [not found]         ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]           ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
     [not found]             ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]               ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
     [not found]                 ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06  0:42                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  3:40                       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06  8:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  8:46                         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  9:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:24                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27                             ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04                               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15                                 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09  0:51                                 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49                                   ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58                                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44                                         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58                                           ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32                                               ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52                                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02                                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06  0:49                     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  4:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  5:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06  7:43                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  8:13                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:21                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12                             ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03                           ` Skip Ford [this message]
2002-10-06 23:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:42                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  8:00                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04                         ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52                           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35                               ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48                           ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08                               ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06                                   ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12                                   ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23                               ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07  6:07                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10                         ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  4:25                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  9:00                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  3:35               ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47             ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:01                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07  2:10                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  2:29                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  3:07                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10  3:48                       ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08  9:11                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08  1:05                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  0:34             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:45               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46           ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54             ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39                 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07  1:21                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07  6:29                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:27                     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07  9:37                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19                   ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11       ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49         ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50               ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10  1:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  1:47                   ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10  8:09                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10  8:28                   ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55               ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  3:50                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  4:16                   ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10  4:56                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  7:33                       ` Jirka David
2002-10-10  7:26                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04                 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28                         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57                       ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  0:03               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10  7:31                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56         ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28             ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36             ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52               ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04                 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17                   ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:27     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:32       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53   ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06  0:48     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21       ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48   ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41     ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] <fa.fl3olav.51slo1@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.chp9htv.i4632g@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-05 14:30   ` walt
2002-10-05 15:10     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 15:30       ` jbradford
2002-10-05 15:57       ` tom_gall
2002-10-05 23:44         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:19       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:51           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:53             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  1:00               ` Robert Love
2002-10-06  5:24                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  7:58                   ` Willy Tarreau
2002-10-05 16:18     ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 17:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:12         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 17:43         ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-06 17:58           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 18:33             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:38               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 21:17                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-06 21:26                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 21:33                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  5:24                     ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:56               ` FD Cami
2002-10-06 18:39             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 21:22             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  1:29             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-10 21:19             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-11 13:39               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 17:10 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 19:30   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-07 20:37     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 17:18 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:19 ` David Lang
2002-10-07 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 21:27 Hell.Surfers

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