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From: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:35:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021005183520.GM585@phunnypharm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021005112552.A9032@work.bitmover.com>

On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 11:25:52AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 01:54:37PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> > Larry, I develop for the Subversion project. Does that mean my license
> > to use bitkeeper is revoked?
> 
> Yes.  It has been since we shipped that license or when you started working
> on Subversion, whichever came last.
> 
> > I've also been wanting to use bitkeeper to create a Subversion mirror of
> > the kernel repository, but I suspect that my usage falls seriously into
> > this category, as my reasons for doing so are three-fold; allow access
> > to the bkbits repo to folks who don't want to use bk, but with all the
> > joys of an SCM (history, changesets, etc.); stress test Subversion
> > against a real-world high-activity repo; promote Subversion.
> > 
> > Would it be your intention that your license disallow my type of work? I
> > think it does.
> 
> You bet it does.  The Subversion folks would like nothing better than
> to displace BK.  That's fine, but they don't get to use BK to do it.
> You're absolutely correct that you could use BK to make Subversion better.
> It is not our job to help you make Subversion better and we've made that
> clear for a long time.

Wow. You've got some bad memory, and some bad prejudice. Fact is, I've
heard many Subversion core developers say, and I quote, "If BK were
open-sourced, we'd just pack up and go home". Fact is, Subversion is not
geared to replace BK, nor has the Subversion team ever claimed it as
such. Fact is, the website clearly states it is a CVS replacement, which
is not on par with what BK does else BK would never have come into
existence.

Sure, let's dig up the old ARM thread we had almost a year ago in
private email and use it to fuel flames in a legitimate thread. Of
course I thought you were about business, yet suddenly this has turned
personal. Let's also not forget some of the helpful emails I've sent you
in private.

You've clearly made your point. I'll delete my copy of BK since I have
no legal license to use it. That's all I wanted to know.

-- 
Debian     - http://www.debian.org/
Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/
Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/
Deqo       - http://www.deqo.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-05 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33   ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05  0:04           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05  1:54               ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:50     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:17       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
     [not found]         ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]           ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
     [not found]             ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]               ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
     [not found]                 ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35       ` Ben Collins [this message]
2002-10-05 18:41       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06  0:42                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  3:40                       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06  8:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  8:46                         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  9:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:24                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27                             ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04                               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15                                 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09  0:51                                 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49                                   ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58                                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44                                         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58                                           ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32                                               ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52                                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02                                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06  0:49                     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  4:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  5:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06  7:43                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  8:13                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:21                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12                             ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03                           ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:42                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  8:00                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04                         ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52                           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35                               ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48                           ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08                               ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06                                   ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12                                   ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23                               ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07  6:07                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10                         ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  4:25                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  9:00                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  3:35               ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47             ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:01                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07  2:10                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  2:29                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  3:07                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10  3:48                       ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08  9:11                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08  1:05                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  0:34             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:45               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46           ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54             ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39                 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07  1:21                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07  6:29                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:27                     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07  9:37                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19                   ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11       ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49         ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50               ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10  1:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  1:47                   ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10  8:09                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10  8:28                   ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55               ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  3:50                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  4:16                   ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10  4:56                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  7:33                       ` Jirka David
2002-10-10  7:26                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04                 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28                         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57                       ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  0:03               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10  7:31                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56         ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28             ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36             ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52               ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04                 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17                   ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:27     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:32       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53   ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06  0:48     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21       ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48   ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41     ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] <fa.fl3olav.51slo1@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.chp9htv.i4632g@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-05 14:30   ` walt
2002-10-05 15:10     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 15:30       ` jbradford
2002-10-05 15:57       ` tom_gall
2002-10-05 23:44         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:19       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:51           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:53             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  1:00               ` Robert Love
2002-10-06  5:24                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  7:58                   ` Willy Tarreau
2002-10-05 16:18     ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 17:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:12         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 17:43         ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-06 17:58           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 18:33             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:38               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 21:17                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-06 21:26                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 21:33                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  5:24                     ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:56               ` FD Cami
2002-10-06 18:39             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 21:22             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  1:29             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-10 21:19             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-11 13:39               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 17:10 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 19:30   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-07 20:37     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 17:18 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:19 ` David Lang
2002-10-07 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 21:27 Hell.Surfers

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