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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <gilbertd@treblig.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	tom_gall@mac.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:16:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021004221639.GM710@gallifrey> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021004143832.M24148@work.bitmover.com>

* Larry McVoy (lm@bitmover.com) wrote:

> We're not changing the wording in the license just because you have a
> problem with it.  Unless some lawyer wants to explain to me why this
> wording doesn't do what I want it to do, and unless I actually believe
> they are operating in the best interests of BitMover, the language
> stands as it is.  

Just to be clear; does that term in the license affect a company, or its
employees, that is a competitor of yours if they use bitkeeper in a way
unrelated to the competition aspect?

So for example is an employee of a competitor or the competitor itself allowed
to download the linux kernel source using bitkeeper?

Lets take that previous question and split it into 2:
   a) If they use the kernel source for something irrelevent to the
	 competing product.

	 b) If they use the kernel source for something relevent to the
	 competing product (e.g. if they were to take the kernel and produce a
	 proprietary module for accessing their system, or even just just use
	 the kernel on the server they happen to store their products source
	 on).

I'd definitly find it objectionable if (a) came under the license
conditions and a bit disturbing for (b).

Anyway, wouldn't you be flattered if a competitor decided to use
bitkeeper to store their code in?

Dave
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-04 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33   ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2002-10-04 22:36         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05  0:04           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05  1:54               ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05  0:50     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:17       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
     [not found]         ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]           ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
     [not found]             ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
     [not found]               ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
     [not found]                 ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06  0:42                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  3:40                       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06  8:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  8:46                         ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  9:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:24                             ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27                             ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04                               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15                                 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09  0:51                                 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49                                   ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58                                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12                                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44                                         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58                                           ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32                                               ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59                                             ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52                                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02                                               ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06  0:49                     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  4:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  5:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06  7:43                       ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06  8:13                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  9:21                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02                           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12                             ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03                           ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  0:42                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06  8:00                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59                       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04                         ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52                           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35                               ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18                             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48                           ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08                               ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06                                   ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12                                   ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23                               ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  6:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07  6:07                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17                             ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10                         ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06  4:25                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06  9:00                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06  3:35               ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47             ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:01                   ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07  2:10                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  2:29                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  3:07                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10  3:48                       ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08  9:11                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08  1:05                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  0:34             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:45               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46           ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54             ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39                 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07  1:21                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07  6:29                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  2:27                     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07  9:37                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45                     ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19                   ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59         ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11       ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49         ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50               ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10  1:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  1:47                   ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10  8:09                 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10  8:28                   ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55               ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  3:50                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  4:16                   ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10  4:56                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10  7:33                       ` Jirka David
2002-10-10  7:26                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04                 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28                         ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57                       ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10  0:03               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10  7:31                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56         ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28             ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36             ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52               ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04                 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17                   ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30         ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:27     ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:32       ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53   ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49       ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06  0:48     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21       ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48   ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41     ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] <fa.fl3olav.51slo1@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.chp9htv.i4632g@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-05 14:30   ` walt
2002-10-05 15:10     ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 15:30       ` jbradford
2002-10-05 15:57       ` tom_gall
2002-10-05 23:44         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:19       ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  0:51           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:53             ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  1:00               ` Robert Love
2002-10-06  5:24                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06  7:58                   ` Willy Tarreau
2002-10-05 16:18     ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 17:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:12         ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 17:43         ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-06 17:58           ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 18:33             ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:38               ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 21:17                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-06 21:26                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 21:33                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07  5:24                     ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:56               ` FD Cami
2002-10-06 18:39             ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 21:22             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  1:29             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-10 21:19             ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-11 13:39               ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 17:10 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 19:30   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-07 20:37     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 17:18 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:19 ` David Lang
2002-10-07 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 21:27 Hell.Surfers

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