From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:46:29 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210061528560.6780-100000@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021005112552.A9032@work.bitmover.com>
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Larry McVoy wrote:
> The clause is specifically designed to target those companies which
> produce or sell commercial SCM systems. [...] The open source developers
> have nothing to worry about.
and:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > Larry, I develop for the Subversion project. Does that mean my license
> > to use bitkeeper is revoked?
>
> Yes. It has been since we shipped that license or when you started
> working on Subversion, whichever came last.
this kind of sudden change in Larry's written opinion within 24 hours is
that makes this whole issue dangerous. Fact is that Larry is free to
license his product under fair or unfair terms - it's his. While we
already gave BK/BM tons of feedback, free beta-testing and free publicity,
all we have is this volatile promise that the binary bits of BK are going
to remain licensed - and with every day it will be harder and harder to
move the repository.
what happens if Linux merges some sort of kernel based versioned
filesystem, eg. something similar to what ClearCase does today? Will the
license suddenly change to 'as long as you do not work on the versioned-FS
kernel subsystem'? Or isnt this already a violation of the current
license?
this is why i'd rather want to have an iron-clad legal way out first, and
not have to rely on nonbinding promises done on public lists. I'm sure
Larry understands this position, he has exactly the same position when
trying to protect his business against hordes of freebies.
Ingo
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2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33 ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 0:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 1:54 ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05 0:50 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06 2:17 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28 ` David S. Miller
[not found] ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06 0:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 3:40 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06 8:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 8:46 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 9:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 9:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09 0:51 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02 ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06 0:49 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 4:43 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 5:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 7:43 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 8:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 9:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 0:42 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06 8:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04 ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35 ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12 ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 6:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07 6:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10 ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 4:25 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 9:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 3:35 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:01 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07 2:10 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 2:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 3:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10 3:48 ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08 9:11 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 1:05 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06 0:34 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:45 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54 ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2002-10-06 13:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07 1:21 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 6:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07 9:37 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19 ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49 ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50 ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10 1:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 1:47 ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10 8:09 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 8:28 ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 3:50 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10 4:16 ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10 4:56 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10 7:33 ` Jirka David
2002-10-10 7:26 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57 ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 0:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10 7:31 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56 ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28 ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52 ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:27 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:32 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 0:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06 0:48 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48 ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41 ` Hans Reiser
[not found] <fa.fl3olav.51slo1@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.chp9htv.i4632g@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-05 14:30 ` walt
2002-10-05 15:10 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 15:30 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 15:57 ` tom_gall
2002-10-05 23:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 0:19 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 0:51 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 1:00 ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 5:24 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 7:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-10-05 16:18 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 17:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:12 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 17:43 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-06 17:58 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 18:33 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 21:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-06 21:26 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 21:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 5:24 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 18:56 ` FD Cami
2002-10-06 18:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-06 21:22 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 1:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-10 21:19 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-11 13:39 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 17:10 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:35 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 19:30 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-07 20:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 17:18 Craig Dickson
2002-10-07 17:19 ` David Lang
2002-10-07 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 21:27 Hell.Surfers
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