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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 16:47:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170705154747.gtu6v5rrol2xrgbx@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4080ecc7-1aa8-2940-f230-1b79d656cdb4@redhat.com>

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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:09:51AM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote:

> This problem is a reflection of our own explicit or implicit priorities.
> The priorities of developers and reviewers needs to change to make an
> impact on the problem. This is a hard problem.

Take a look at the trajectory for the build and boot testing for a
concrete example of this - the failure rates go down over time but it's
not a quick process.

> As a concrete action item, glibc core developers took a harder stance on
> (a) all user-visible bugs need a bug # (forces people to think about the
> problem and file a coherent public bug about it) (b) all bugs needs a
> regression test if possible, (c) and if not possible we need to extend
> the testing framework to make it possible (we've started using kernel
> namespaces to create isolated test configurations).

One thing I'd really like to see here is an equivalent of the build and
boot testing we currently have that exercises some of the testsuites on
a regular basis so we can push on keeping them running cleanly.  As well
as just the intrisic value of the tests themselves I'd hope that a
visible practical interest would help push more activity in this area.

There's a couple of efforts I'm aware of in this area, hopefully one or
both of them will start delivering.

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From: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Carlos O'Donell <carlos-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux-rCxcAJFjeRkk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>,
	ksummit-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 16:47:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170705154747.gtu6v5rrol2xrgbx@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4080ecc7-1aa8-2940-f230-1b79d656cdb4-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:09:51AM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote:

> This problem is a reflection of our own explicit or implicit priorities.
> The priorities of developers and reviewers needs to change to make an
> impact on the problem. This is a hard problem.

Take a look at the trajectory for the build and boot testing for a
concrete example of this - the failure rates go down over time but it's
not a quick process.

> As a concrete action item, glibc core developers took a harder stance on
> (a) all user-visible bugs need a bug # (forces people to think about the
> problem and file a coherent public bug about it) (b) all bugs needs a
> regression test if possible, (c) and if not possible we need to extend
> the testing framework to make it possible (we've started using kernel
> namespaces to create isolated test configurations).

One thing I'd really like to see here is an equivalent of the build and
boot testing we currently have that exercises some of the testsuites on
a regular basis so we can push on keeping them running cleanly.  As well
as just the intrisic value of the tests themselves I'd hope that a
visible practical interest would help push more activity in this area.

There's a couple of efforts I'm aware of in this area, hopefully one or
both of them will start delivering.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-05 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-02 17:51 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-03 16:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-03 16:30   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-03 18:50   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-03 18:50     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-04 19:03   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-04 19:03     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 12:45     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 12:45       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 13:09       ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 13:09         ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 13:27         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 13:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:06           ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 14:06             ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 14:28             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:28               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:33             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:33               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:52               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:52                 ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:08               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:08                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 16:10                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:10                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 11:34                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-06 11:34                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-09 13:46               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-09 13:46                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 14:33             ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:33               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:36               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:50                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 14:50                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 14:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:56                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:09                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:09                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:20                       ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:20                         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:40                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:40                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:20                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:32                         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:32                           ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:43                           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:43                             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:24                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:24                         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 15:16             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 15:16               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 15:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:27                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:36                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:36                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 16:04                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:04                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:58                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 16:58                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 17:07                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 17:07                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:48                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 16:48                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 16:58                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 16:58                     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 17:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 17:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06  9:28                     ` Mark Brown
2017-07-06  9:28                       ` Mark Brown
2017-07-06  9:41                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06  9:41                         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:53                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-06 14:53                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-06 21:28                           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 21:28                             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:48                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-06 14:48                         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-07 10:03                         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-07 10:03                           ` Mark Brown
2017-07-31 16:54                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 16:54                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 20:11                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-31 20:11                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-31 20:12                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 20:12                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 16:53                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 16:53                         ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:33                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 17:33                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 17:46                           ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:46                             ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:58                             ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:58                               ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:04                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 18:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 18:23                               ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:23                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:42                               ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:42                                 ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03  3:03                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-03  3:03                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-03 17:42                                   ` Bird, Timothy
2017-08-03 17:42                                     ` Bird, Timothy
2017-08-03 22:11                                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 22:11                                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                   ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-04  1:15                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-04  1:15                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-07  3:33                 ` Fengguang Wu
2017-07-07  3:33                   ` Fengguang Wu
2017-07-07  4:52                   ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-07  4:52                     ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-05 15:32               ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 15:32                 ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 15:36                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:36                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:52                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:52                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:42                   ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:42                     ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:29                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:29                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 22:24                 ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:24                   ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:32                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 22:32                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 22:40                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:40                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-05 16:54             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 16:54               ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 18:45               ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:45                 ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 19:47                 ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 19:47                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 14:06           ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:06             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:47         ` Mark Brown [this message]
2017-07-05 15:47           ` Mark Brown
2017-07-07  6:15 ` Andrei Vagin

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