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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	"open list:ABI/API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 20:29:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uEBB0jLyr0vfXcJ5U1peSfyPYOkMJ9+2FG7Evtznz+7bg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170705153259.GA7265@kroah.com>

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 08:16:33AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>> If we start shaming people for not providing unit tests, all we'll accomplish is
>> that people will stop providing bug fixes.
>
> Yes, this is the key!
>
> Steven, just look at everything marked with a "Fixes:" or "stable@" tag
> from 4.12-rc1..4.12 and try to determine how you would write a test for
> the majority of them.
>
> Yes, for some subsystems this can work (look at xfstests as one great
> example for filesystems, same for the i915 tests), but for the majority
> of the kernel, at this point in time, it doesn't make sense.
>
> So take Carlos's advice, start small, do it for your subsystem if you
> don't touch hardware (easy peasy, right?), and let's see how it goes,
> and see if we have the infrastructure to do it even today.  Right now,
> kselftests is finally getting a unified output format, which is great,
> it shows that people are starting to use and rely on it.  What else will
> we need to make this more widely used, we don't know yet...

This is very hard work and takes a long time. Since 3 years I'm trying
to establish the i915 test suite as an overall drm validation set. At
least the generic parts like for the cross-driver kernel modeset
interfaces, but also allowing other drivers to test their hw specific
command submission. It's very slow going ...
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
+41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch

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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org>
To: Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Guenter Roeck <linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"ksummit-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org"
	<ksummit-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"open list:ABI/API"
	<linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux-rCxcAJFjeRkk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 20:29:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uEBB0jLyr0vfXcJ5U1peSfyPYOkMJ9+2FG7Evtznz+7bg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170705153259.GA7265-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 08:16:33AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>> If we start shaming people for not providing unit tests, all we'll accomplish is
>> that people will stop providing bug fixes.
>
> Yes, this is the key!
>
> Steven, just look at everything marked with a "Fixes:" or "stable@" tag
> from 4.12-rc1..4.12 and try to determine how you would write a test for
> the majority of them.
>
> Yes, for some subsystems this can work (look at xfstests as one great
> example for filesystems, same for the i915 tests), but for the majority
> of the kernel, at this point in time, it doesn't make sense.
>
> So take Carlos's advice, start small, do it for your subsystem if you
> don't touch hardware (easy peasy, right?), and let's see how it goes,
> and see if we have the infrastructure to do it even today.  Right now,
> kselftests is finally getting a unified output format, which is great,
> it shows that people are starting to use and rely on it.  What else will
> we need to make this more widely used, we don't know yet...

This is very hard work and takes a long time. Since 3 years I'm trying
to establish the i915 test suite as an overall drm validation set. At
least the generic parts like for the cross-driver kernel modeset
interfaces, but also allowing other drivers to test their hw specific
command submission. It's very slow going ...
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
+41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-05 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-02 17:51 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-03 16:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-03 16:30   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-03 18:50   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-03 18:50     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-04 19:03   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-04 19:03     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 12:45     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 12:45       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 13:09       ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 13:09         ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 13:27         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 13:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:06           ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 14:06             ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 14:28             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:28               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:33             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:33               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:52               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:52                 ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:08               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:08                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 16:10                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:10                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 11:34                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-06 11:34                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-09 13:46               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-09 13:46                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 14:33             ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:33               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:36               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:50                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 14:50                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 14:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:56                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:09                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:09                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:20                       ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:20                         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:40                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:40                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:20                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:32                         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:32                           ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:43                           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:43                             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:24                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:24                         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 15:16             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 15:16               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 15:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:27                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:36                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:36                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 16:04                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:04                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:58                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 16:58                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 17:07                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 17:07                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:48                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 16:48                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 16:58                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 16:58                     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 17:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 17:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06  9:28                     ` Mark Brown
2017-07-06  9:28                       ` Mark Brown
2017-07-06  9:41                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06  9:41                         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:53                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-06 14:53                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-06 21:28                           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 21:28                             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:48                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-06 14:48                         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-07 10:03                         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-07 10:03                           ` Mark Brown
2017-07-31 16:54                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 16:54                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 20:11                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-31 20:11                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-31 20:12                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 20:12                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 16:53                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 16:53                         ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:33                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 17:33                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 17:46                           ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:46                             ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:58                             ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:58                               ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:04                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 18:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 18:23                               ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:23                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:42                               ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:42                                 ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03  3:03                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-03  3:03                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-03 17:42                                   ` Bird, Timothy
2017-08-03 17:42                                     ` Bird, Timothy
2017-08-03 22:11                                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 22:11                                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                   ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-04  1:15                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-04  1:15                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-07  3:33                 ` Fengguang Wu
2017-07-07  3:33                   ` Fengguang Wu
2017-07-07  4:52                   ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-07  4:52                     ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-05 15:32               ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 15:32                 ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 15:36                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:36                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:52                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:52                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:42                   ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:42                     ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:29                 ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2017-07-05 18:29                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 22:24                 ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:24                   ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:32                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 22:32                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 22:40                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:40                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-05 16:54             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 16:54               ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 18:45               ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:45                 ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 19:47                 ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 19:47                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 14:06           ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:06             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:47         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:47           ` Mark Brown
2017-07-07  6:15 ` Andrei Vagin

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