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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 17:32:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170705153259.GA7265@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a462fb3b-a6d4-e969-b301-b404981de224@roeck-us.net>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 08:16:33AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> If we start shaming people for not providing unit tests, all we'll accomplish is
> that people will stop providing bug fixes.

Yes, this is the key!

Steven, just look at everything marked with a "Fixes:" or "stable@" tag
from 4.12-rc1..4.12 and try to determine how you would write a test for
the majority of them.

Yes, for some subsystems this can work (look at xfstests as one great
example for filesystems, same for the i915 tests), but for the majority
of the kernel, at this point in time, it doesn't make sense.

So take Carlos's advice, start small, do it for your subsystem if you
don't touch hardware (easy peasy, right?), and let's see how it goes,
and see if we have the infrastructure to do it even today.  Right now,
kselftests is finally getting a unified output format, which is great,
it shows that people are starting to use and rely on it.  What else will
we need to make this more widely used, we don't know yet...

thanks,

greg k-h

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux-rCxcAJFjeRkk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org>,
	ksummit-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 17:32:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170705153259.GA7265@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a462fb3b-a6d4-e969-b301-b404981de224-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 08:16:33AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> If we start shaming people for not providing unit tests, all we'll accomplish is
> that people will stop providing bug fixes.

Yes, this is the key!

Steven, just look at everything marked with a "Fixes:" or "stable@" tag
from 4.12-rc1..4.12 and try to determine how you would write a test for
the majority of them.

Yes, for some subsystems this can work (look at xfstests as one great
example for filesystems, same for the i915 tests), but for the majority
of the kernel, at this point in time, it doesn't make sense.

So take Carlos's advice, start small, do it for your subsystem if you
don't touch hardware (easy peasy, right?), and let's see how it goes,
and see if we have the infrastructure to do it even today.  Right now,
kselftests is finally getting a unified output format, which is great,
it shows that people are starting to use and rely on it.  What else will
we need to make this more widely used, we don't know yet...

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-05 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-02 17:51 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] & [TECH TOPIC] Improve regression tracking Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-03 16:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-03 16:30   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-03 18:50   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-03 18:50     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-04 19:03   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-04 19:03     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 12:45     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 12:45       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 13:09       ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 13:09         ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 13:27         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 13:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:06           ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 14:06             ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 14:28             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:28               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:33             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:33               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:52               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:52                 ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:08               ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:08                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 16:10                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:10                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 11:34                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-06 11:34                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-07-09 13:46               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-09 13:46                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2017-07-05 14:33             ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:33               ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 14:36               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:50                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 14:50                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 14:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 14:56                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:09                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:09                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:20                       ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:20                         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:40                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:40                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-07-05 15:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:20                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:32                         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:32                           ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:43                           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:43                             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:24                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:24                         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:17                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 15:16             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 15:16               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 15:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:27                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:36                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 15:36                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 16:04                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:04                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:58                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 16:58                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-05 17:07                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 17:07                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 16:48                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 16:48                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-07-05 16:58                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 16:58                     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 17:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 17:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06  9:28                     ` Mark Brown
2017-07-06  9:28                       ` Mark Brown
2017-07-06  9:41                       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06  9:41                         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:53                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-06 14:53                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-06 21:28                           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 21:28                             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 14:48                       ` James Bottomley
2017-07-06 14:48                         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-07 10:03                         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-07 10:03                           ` Mark Brown
2017-07-31 16:54                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 16:54                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 20:11                       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-31 20:11                         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-31 20:12                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-31 20:12                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 16:53                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 16:53                         ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:33                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 17:33                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 17:46                           ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:46                             ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:58                             ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 17:58                               ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:04                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 18:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-08-02 18:23                               ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:23                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2017-08-02 18:42                               ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-02 18:42                                 ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03  3:03                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-03  3:03                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-03 17:42                                   ` Bird, Timothy
2017-08-03 17:42                                     ` Bird, Timothy
2017-08-03 22:11                                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 22:11                                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                   ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-03 18:51                                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-08-04  1:15                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-08-04  1:15                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-07  3:33                 ` Fengguang Wu
2017-07-07  3:33                   ` Fengguang Wu
2017-07-07  4:52                   ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-07  4:52                     ` Frank Rowand
2017-07-05 15:32               ` Greg KH [this message]
2017-07-05 15:32                 ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 15:36                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:36                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:52                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 15:52                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-05 18:42                   ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:42                     ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:29                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-05 18:29                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-07-06 22:24                 ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:24                   ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:32                   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 22:32                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-06 22:40                     ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-06 22:40                       ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-05 16:54             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 16:54               ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 18:45               ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 18:45                 ` Greg KH
2017-07-05 19:47                 ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 19:47                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-05 14:06           ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 14:06             ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-07-05 15:47         ` Mark Brown
2017-07-05 15:47           ` Mark Brown
2017-07-07  6:15 ` Andrei Vagin

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