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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: "Christoph Müllner" <christophm30@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	will.deacon@arm.com, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:30:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210413093059.GB15806@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHB2gtTmGt=V4cUgbt3zGgi+y5h0f5ON0n+MdRC8P=su670qhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:22:40AM +0200, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:03 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:54:55PM +0200, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:33 PM Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com> wrote:
> > > > My plan is to add a generic ticket-based lock, which can be selected at
> > > > compile time.  It'll have no architecture dependencies (though it'll
> > > > likely have some hooks for architectures that can make this go faster).
> > > > Users can then just pick which spinlock flavor they want, with the idea
> > > > being that smaller systems will perform better with ticket locks and
> > > > larger systems will perform better with queued locks.  The main goal
> > > > here is to give the less widely used architectures an easy way to have
> > > > fair locks, as right now we've got a lot of code duplication because any
> > > > architecture that wants ticket locks has to do it themselves.
> > >
> > > In the case of LL/SC sequences, we have a maximum of 16 instructions
> > > on RISC-V. My concern with a pure-C implementation would be that
> > > we cannot guarantee this (e.g. somebody wants to compile with -O0)
> > > and I don't know of a way to abort the build in case this limit exceeds.
> > > Therefore I have preferred inline assembly for OpenSBI (my initial idea
> > > was to use closure-like LL/SC macros, where you can write the loop
> > > in form of C code).
> >
> > For ticket locks you really only needs atomic_fetch_add() and
> > smp_store_release() and an architectural guarantees that the
> > atomic_fetch_add() has fwd progress under contention and that a sub-word
> > store (through smp_store_release()) will fail the SC.
> >
> > Then you can do something like:
> >
> > void lock(atomic_t *lock)
> > {
> >         u32 val = atomic_fetch_add(1<<16, lock); /* SC, gives us RCsc */
> >         u16 ticket = val >> 16;
> >
> >         for (;;) {
> >                 if (ticket == (u16)val)
> >                         break;
> >                 cpu_relax();
> >                 val = atomic_read_acquire(lock);
> >         }
> > }
> >
> > void unlock(atomic_t *lock)
> > {
> >         u16 *ptr = (u16 *)lock + (!!__BIG_ENDIAN__);
> >         u32 val = atomic_read(lock);
> >
> >         smp_store_release(ptr, (u16)val + 1);
> > }
> >
> > That's _almost_ as simple as a test-and-set :-) It isn't quite optimal
> > on x86 for not being allowed to use a memop on unlock, since its being
> > forced into a load-store because of all the volatile, but whatever.
> 
> What about trylock()?
> I.e. one could implement trylock() without a loop, by letting
> trylock() fail if the SC fails.
> That looks safe on first view, but nobody does this right now.

Not familiar with RISC-V but I'd recommend that a trylock only fails if
the lock is locked (after LR). A SC may fail for other reasons
(cacheline eviction; depending on the microarchitecture) even if the
lock is unlocked. At least on arm64 we had this issue with an
implementation having a tendency to always fail the first STXR.

-- 
Catalin

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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: "Christoph Müllner" <christophm30@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	will.deacon@arm.com, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:30:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210413093059.GB15806@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHB2gtTmGt=V4cUgbt3zGgi+y5h0f5ON0n+MdRC8P=su670qhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:22:40AM +0200, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:03 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:54:55PM +0200, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:33 PM Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com> wrote:
> > > > My plan is to add a generic ticket-based lock, which can be selected at
> > > > compile time.  It'll have no architecture dependencies (though it'll
> > > > likely have some hooks for architectures that can make this go faster).
> > > > Users can then just pick which spinlock flavor they want, with the idea
> > > > being that smaller systems will perform better with ticket locks and
> > > > larger systems will perform better with queued locks.  The main goal
> > > > here is to give the less widely used architectures an easy way to have
> > > > fair locks, as right now we've got a lot of code duplication because any
> > > > architecture that wants ticket locks has to do it themselves.
> > >
> > > In the case of LL/SC sequences, we have a maximum of 16 instructions
> > > on RISC-V. My concern with a pure-C implementation would be that
> > > we cannot guarantee this (e.g. somebody wants to compile with -O0)
> > > and I don't know of a way to abort the build in case this limit exceeds.
> > > Therefore I have preferred inline assembly for OpenSBI (my initial idea
> > > was to use closure-like LL/SC macros, where you can write the loop
> > > in form of C code).
> >
> > For ticket locks you really only needs atomic_fetch_add() and
> > smp_store_release() and an architectural guarantees that the
> > atomic_fetch_add() has fwd progress under contention and that a sub-word
> > store (through smp_store_release()) will fail the SC.
> >
> > Then you can do something like:
> >
> > void lock(atomic_t *lock)
> > {
> >         u32 val = atomic_fetch_add(1<<16, lock); /* SC, gives us RCsc */
> >         u16 ticket = val >> 16;
> >
> >         for (;;) {
> >                 if (ticket == (u16)val)
> >                         break;
> >                 cpu_relax();
> >                 val = atomic_read_acquire(lock);
> >         }
> > }
> >
> > void unlock(atomic_t *lock)
> > {
> >         u16 *ptr = (u16 *)lock + (!!__BIG_ENDIAN__);
> >         u32 val = atomic_read(lock);
> >
> >         smp_store_release(ptr, (u16)val + 1);
> > }
> >
> > That's _almost_ as simple as a test-and-set :-) It isn't quite optimal
> > on x86 for not being allowed to use a memop on unlock, since its being
> > forced into a load-store because of all the volatile, but whatever.
> 
> What about trylock()?
> I.e. one could implement trylock() without a loop, by letting
> trylock() fail if the SC fails.
> That looks safe on first view, but nobody does this right now.

Not familiar with RISC-V but I'd recommend that a trylock only fails if
the lock is locked (after LR). A SC may fail for other reasons
(cacheline eviction; depending on the microarchitecture) even if the
lock is unlocked. At least on arm64 we had this issue with an
implementation having a tendency to always fail the first STXR.

-- 
Catalin

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-13  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-24 10:14 [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation guoren
2021-03-24 10:14 ` guoren
2021-03-24 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 11:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:10   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:10     ` Guo Ren
     [not found] ` <CAM4kBBK7_s9U2vJbq68yC8WdDEfPQTaCOvn1xds3Si5B-Wpw+A@mail.gmail.com>
2021-03-24 12:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:24   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:24     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:28 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:28   ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:53     ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:53       ` Anup Patel
2021-04-11 21:11       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-11 21:11         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 13:32         ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 13:32           ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 14:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 14:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 21:21             ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 21:21               ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 17:33           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 17:33             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 21:54             ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 21:54               ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  8:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:03                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  2:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  2:26                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  7:08                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  7:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  9:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  9:05                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 10:16                         ` [RFC][PATCH] locking: Generic ticket-lock Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 10:16                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:39                           ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14 12:39                             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14 12:55                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:55                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 13:08                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 13:08                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 15:59                               ` David Laight
2021-04-14 15:59                                 ` David Laight
2021-04-14 12:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:45                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 21:02                             ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 21:02                               ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 20:47                           ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 20:47                             ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-15  8:09                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  8:09                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  9:02                               ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-15  9:02                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-15  9:22                                 ` Will Deacon
2021-04-15  9:22                                   ` Will Deacon
2021-04-15  9:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  9:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-19 17:35                           ` Will Deacon
2021-04-19 17:35                             ` Will Deacon
2021-04-23  6:44                           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-23  6:44                             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-13  9:22                 ` [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:22                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:30                   ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2021-04-13  9:30                     ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:55                     ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:55                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-14  0:23                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  0:23                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  9:17                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-14  9:17                         ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  9:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13 10:25                     ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 10:25                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 10:45                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13 10:45                         ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13 10:54                         ` David Laight
2021-04-13 10:54                           ` David Laight
2021-04-14  5:54                           ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  5:54                             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-13 11:04                         ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 11:04                           ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 13:19                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-13 13:19                         ` Guo Ren
2021-09-19 16:53 guoren
2021-09-19 16:53 ` guoren
2021-09-25 14:47 ` Guo Ren
2021-09-25 14:47   ` Guo Ren
2021-10-21 13:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-21 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra

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