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From: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
To: "Christoph Müllner" <christophm30@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 21:19:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJF2gTSGwt-hHbYiBUdiUbo+BTkyQtv_XNkLYws-EJcwURQbLQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHB2gtTzEuD7j-+5ztui0eV6UNiEisBTgoK+2Sr=Z0b4PPXRyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:25 PM Christoph Müllner
<christophm30@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:37 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:22:40AM +0200, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> >
> > > > For ticket locks you really only needs atomic_fetch_add() and
> > > > smp_store_release() and an architectural guarantees that the
> > > > atomic_fetch_add() has fwd progress under contention and that a sub-word
> > > > store (through smp_store_release()) will fail the SC.
> > > >
> > > > Then you can do something like:
> > > >
> > > > void lock(atomic_t *lock)
> > > > {
> > > >         u32 val = atomic_fetch_add(1<<16, lock); /* SC, gives us RCsc */
> > > >         u16 ticket = val >> 16;
> > > >
> > > >         for (;;) {
> > > >                 if (ticket == (u16)val)
> > > >                         break;
> > > >                 cpu_relax();
> > > >                 val = atomic_read_acquire(lock);
> > > >         }
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > void unlock(atomic_t *lock)
> > > > {
> > > >         u16 *ptr = (u16 *)lock + (!!__BIG_ENDIAN__);
> > > >         u32 val = atomic_read(lock);
> > > >
> > > >         smp_store_release(ptr, (u16)val + 1);
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > That's _almost_ as simple as a test-and-set :-) It isn't quite optimal
> > > > on x86 for not being allowed to use a memop on unlock, since its being
> > > > forced into a load-store because of all the volatile, but whatever.
> > >
> > > What about trylock()?
> > > I.e. one could implement trylock() without a loop, by letting
> > > trylock() fail if the SC fails.
> > > That looks safe on first view, but nobody does this right now.
> >
> > Generic code has to use cmpxchg(), and then you get something like this:
> >
> > bool trylock(atomic_t *lock)
> > {
> >         u32 old = atomic_read(lock);
> >
> >         if ((old >> 16) != (old & 0xffff))
> >                 return false;
> >
> >         return atomic_try_cmpxchg(lock, &old, old + (1<<16)); /* SC, for RCsc */
> > }
>
> This approach requires two loads (atomic_read() and cmpxchg()), which
> is not required.
> Detecting this pattern and optimizing it in a compiler is quite unlikely.
>
> A bit less generic solution would be to wrap the LL/SC (would be
> mandatory in this case)
> instructions and do something like this:
>
> uint32_t __smp_load_acquire_reserved(void*);
> int __smp_store_release_conditional(void*, uint32_t);
>
> typedef union {
>     uint32_t v32;
>     struct {
>         uint16_t owner;
>         uint16_t next;
>     };
> } arch_spinlock_t;
>
> int trylock(arch_spinlock_t *lock)
> {
>     arch_spinlock_t l;
>     int success;
>     do {
>         l.v32 = __smp_load_acquire_reserved(lock);
>         if (l.owner != l.next)
>             return 0;
>         l.next++;
>         success = __smp_store_release_conditional(lock, l.v32);
It's a new semantics v.s cmpxchg, and cmpxchg is come from CAS
instruction to solve some complex scenario.

The primitive of cmpxchg has been widely used in Linux, so I don't
think introducing a new semantics (reserved_conditional) is a good
idea.

Also, from this point: It seems CAS instruction is more suitable for
software compatibility. Although riscv privilege spec chose the LR/SC
and list some bad sides of CAS.

>     } while (!success);
>     return success;
> }
>
> But here we can't tell the compiler to optimize the code between LL and SC...
>
> >
> > That will try and do the full LL/SC loop, because it wants to complete
> > the cmpxchg, but in generic code we have no other option.
> >
> > (Is this what C11's weak cmpxchg is for?)



-- 
Best Regards
 Guo Ren

ML: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-csky/

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
To: "Christoph Müllner" <christophm30@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,  Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 21:19:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJF2gTSGwt-hHbYiBUdiUbo+BTkyQtv_XNkLYws-EJcwURQbLQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHB2gtTzEuD7j-+5ztui0eV6UNiEisBTgoK+2Sr=Z0b4PPXRyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:25 PM Christoph Müllner
<christophm30@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:37 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:22:40AM +0200, Christoph Müllner wrote:
> >
> > > > For ticket locks you really only needs atomic_fetch_add() and
> > > > smp_store_release() and an architectural guarantees that the
> > > > atomic_fetch_add() has fwd progress under contention and that a sub-word
> > > > store (through smp_store_release()) will fail the SC.
> > > >
> > > > Then you can do something like:
> > > >
> > > > void lock(atomic_t *lock)
> > > > {
> > > >         u32 val = atomic_fetch_add(1<<16, lock); /* SC, gives us RCsc */
> > > >         u16 ticket = val >> 16;
> > > >
> > > >         for (;;) {
> > > >                 if (ticket == (u16)val)
> > > >                         break;
> > > >                 cpu_relax();
> > > >                 val = atomic_read_acquire(lock);
> > > >         }
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > void unlock(atomic_t *lock)
> > > > {
> > > >         u16 *ptr = (u16 *)lock + (!!__BIG_ENDIAN__);
> > > >         u32 val = atomic_read(lock);
> > > >
> > > >         smp_store_release(ptr, (u16)val + 1);
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > That's _almost_ as simple as a test-and-set :-) It isn't quite optimal
> > > > on x86 for not being allowed to use a memop on unlock, since its being
> > > > forced into a load-store because of all the volatile, but whatever.
> > >
> > > What about trylock()?
> > > I.e. one could implement trylock() without a loop, by letting
> > > trylock() fail if the SC fails.
> > > That looks safe on first view, but nobody does this right now.
> >
> > Generic code has to use cmpxchg(), and then you get something like this:
> >
> > bool trylock(atomic_t *lock)
> > {
> >         u32 old = atomic_read(lock);
> >
> >         if ((old >> 16) != (old & 0xffff))
> >                 return false;
> >
> >         return atomic_try_cmpxchg(lock, &old, old + (1<<16)); /* SC, for RCsc */
> > }
>
> This approach requires two loads (atomic_read() and cmpxchg()), which
> is not required.
> Detecting this pattern and optimizing it in a compiler is quite unlikely.
>
> A bit less generic solution would be to wrap the LL/SC (would be
> mandatory in this case)
> instructions and do something like this:
>
> uint32_t __smp_load_acquire_reserved(void*);
> int __smp_store_release_conditional(void*, uint32_t);
>
> typedef union {
>     uint32_t v32;
>     struct {
>         uint16_t owner;
>         uint16_t next;
>     };
> } arch_spinlock_t;
>
> int trylock(arch_spinlock_t *lock)
> {
>     arch_spinlock_t l;
>     int success;
>     do {
>         l.v32 = __smp_load_acquire_reserved(lock);
>         if (l.owner != l.next)
>             return 0;
>         l.next++;
>         success = __smp_store_release_conditional(lock, l.v32);
It's a new semantics v.s cmpxchg, and cmpxchg is come from CAS
instruction to solve some complex scenario.

The primitive of cmpxchg has been widely used in Linux, so I don't
think introducing a new semantics (reserved_conditional) is a good
idea.

Also, from this point: It seems CAS instruction is more suitable for
software compatibility. Although riscv privilege spec chose the LR/SC
and list some bad sides of CAS.

>     } while (!success);
>     return success;
> }
>
> But here we can't tell the compiler to optimize the code between LL and SC...
>
> >
> > That will try and do the full LL/SC loop, because it wants to complete
> > the cmpxchg, but in generic code we have no other option.
> >
> > (Is this what C11's weak cmpxchg is for?)



-- 
Best Regards
 Guo Ren

ML: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-csky/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-13 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-24 10:14 [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation guoren
2021-03-24 10:14 ` guoren
2021-03-24 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 11:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:10   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:10     ` Guo Ren
     [not found] ` <CAM4kBBK7_s9U2vJbq68yC8WdDEfPQTaCOvn1xds3Si5B-Wpw+A@mail.gmail.com>
2021-03-24 12:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:24   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:24     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:28 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:28   ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:53     ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:53       ` Anup Patel
2021-04-11 21:11       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-11 21:11         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 13:32         ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 13:32           ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 14:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 14:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 21:21             ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 21:21               ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 17:33           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 17:33             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 21:54             ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 21:54               ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  8:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:03                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  2:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  2:26                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  7:08                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  7:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  9:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  9:05                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 10:16                         ` [RFC][PATCH] locking: Generic ticket-lock Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 10:16                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:39                           ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14 12:39                             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14 12:55                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:55                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 13:08                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 13:08                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 15:59                               ` David Laight
2021-04-14 15:59                                 ` David Laight
2021-04-14 12:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:45                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 21:02                             ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 21:02                               ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 20:47                           ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 20:47                             ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-15  8:09                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  8:09                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  9:02                               ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-15  9:02                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-15  9:22                                 ` Will Deacon
2021-04-15  9:22                                   ` Will Deacon
2021-04-15  9:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  9:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-19 17:35                           ` Will Deacon
2021-04-19 17:35                             ` Will Deacon
2021-04-23  6:44                           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-23  6:44                             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-13  9:22                 ` [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:22                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:30                   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:30                     ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:55                     ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:55                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-14  0:23                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  0:23                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  9:17                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-14  9:17                         ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  9:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13 10:25                     ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 10:25                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 10:45                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13 10:45                         ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13 10:54                         ` David Laight
2021-04-13 10:54                           ` David Laight
2021-04-14  5:54                           ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  5:54                             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-13 11:04                         ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 11:04                           ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 13:19                       ` Guo Ren [this message]
2021-04-13 13:19                         ` Guo Ren
2021-09-19 16:53 guoren
2021-09-19 16:53 ` guoren
2021-09-25 14:47 ` Guo Ren
2021-09-25 14:47   ` Guo Ren
2021-10-21 13:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-21 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra

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