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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@konsulko.com>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmerdabbelt@google.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:31:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YFsxGZ6RJilO6OUl@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTSmrZ4iVnoHJ8w5U8ZxxeN=9r5iu9m37ZLNGPp0Q+6wMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 08:24:34PM +0800, Guo Ren wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 7:16 PM Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 11:16 AM <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>
> >>
> >> This patch introduces a ticket lock implementation for riscv, along the
> >> same lines as the implementation for arch/arm & arch/csky.
> >
> >
> > Could you please provide a rationale for this? Like, what is wrong with the current implementation.
> Ticket based spinlock's principle is here:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/267968/
> 
> Current implementation will cause cache line bouncing when many harts
> are acquiring the same spinlock.
> I'm seeking a solution, maybe not fitting the current RISC-V base ISA.

Ticket locks as such don't solve the cacheline bouncing part, since
they're all still spinning on the same line. The big improvement ticket
locks bring is that the lock acquisition time becomes a function of the
longest hold time, instead of being unbounded.

However, combine it with the WFE (preferably the ARM64 variant) and you
can avoid the worst of the bouncing.

If you really want to get rid of the bouncing, go with qspinlock, which
will spin on a cpu local line. That said, qspinlock is quite gnarly
code, and only really wins from ticket when you have NUMA.

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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@konsulko.com>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmerdabbelt@google.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:31:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YFsxGZ6RJilO6OUl@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTSmrZ4iVnoHJ8w5U8ZxxeN=9r5iu9m37ZLNGPp0Q+6wMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 08:24:34PM +0800, Guo Ren wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 7:16 PM Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 11:16 AM <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>
> >>
> >> This patch introduces a ticket lock implementation for riscv, along the
> >> same lines as the implementation for arch/arm & arch/csky.
> >
> >
> > Could you please provide a rationale for this? Like, what is wrong with the current implementation.
> Ticket based spinlock's principle is here:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/267968/
> 
> Current implementation will cause cache line bouncing when many harts
> are acquiring the same spinlock.
> I'm seeking a solution, maybe not fitting the current RISC-V base ISA.

Ticket locks as such don't solve the cacheline bouncing part, since
they're all still spinning on the same line. The big improvement ticket
locks bring is that the lock acquisition time becomes a function of the
longest hold time, instead of being unbounded.

However, combine it with the WFE (preferably the ARM64 variant) and you
can avoid the worst of the bouncing.

If you really want to get rid of the bouncing, go with qspinlock, which
will spin on a cpu local line. That said, qspinlock is quite gnarly
code, and only really wins from ticket when you have NUMA.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-24 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-24 10:14 [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation guoren
2021-03-24 10:14 ` guoren
2021-03-24 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 11:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:10   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:10     ` Guo Ren
     [not found] ` <CAM4kBBK7_s9U2vJbq68yC8WdDEfPQTaCOvn1xds3Si5B-Wpw+A@mail.gmail.com>
2021-03-24 12:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:24   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:24     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-24 12:31     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-03-24 12:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:28 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:28   ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 12:53     ` Anup Patel
2021-03-24 12:53       ` Anup Patel
2021-04-11 21:11       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-11 21:11         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 13:32         ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 13:32           ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 14:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 14:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-12 21:21             ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 21:21               ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 17:33           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 17:33             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-12 21:54             ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-12 21:54               ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  8:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:03                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  8:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  2:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  2:26                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  7:08                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  7:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  9:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14  9:05                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 10:16                         ` [RFC][PATCH] locking: Generic ticket-lock Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 10:16                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:39                           ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14 12:39                             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14 12:55                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:55                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 13:08                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 13:08                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 15:59                               ` David Laight
2021-04-14 15:59                                 ` David Laight
2021-04-14 12:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 12:45                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-14 21:02                             ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 21:02                               ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 20:47                           ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-14 20:47                             ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-15  8:09                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  8:09                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  9:02                               ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-15  9:02                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-15  9:22                                 ` Will Deacon
2021-04-15  9:22                                   ` Will Deacon
2021-04-15  9:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-15  9:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-19 17:35                           ` Will Deacon
2021-04-19 17:35                             ` Will Deacon
2021-04-23  6:44                           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-23  6:44                             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-04-13  9:22                 ` [PATCH] riscv: locks: introduce ticket-based spinlock implementation Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:22                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:30                   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:30                     ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:55                     ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13  9:55                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-14  0:23                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  0:23                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  9:17                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-14  9:17                         ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13  9:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13  9:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-13 10:25                     ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 10:25                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 10:45                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13 10:45                         ` Catalin Marinas
2021-04-13 10:54                         ` David Laight
2021-04-13 10:54                           ` David Laight
2021-04-14  5:54                           ` Guo Ren
2021-04-14  5:54                             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-13 11:04                         ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 11:04                           ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-13 13:19                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-13 13:19                         ` Guo Ren
2021-09-19 16:53 guoren
2021-09-19 16:53 ` guoren
2021-09-25 14:47 ` Guo Ren
2021-09-25 14:47   ` Guo Ren
2021-10-21 13:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-21 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra

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