From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Cc: Linux Kernel Development <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19]
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:04:56 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0612171201540.27120@pademelon.sonytel.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200612161015.08355.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 16 December 2006 05:28, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >On Saturday, 16 December 2006 07:43, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> [...]
> >I think the most important problem with the binary-only drivers is that
> > we can't support their users _at_ _all_, but some of them expect us to
> > support them somehow.
> >
> >So, why don't we make an official statement, like something that will
> > appear on the front page of www.kernel.org, that the users of
> > binary-only drivers will never get any support from us? That would
> > make things crystal clear.
>
> I disagree with this, to the extent that I perceive this business of no
> support for a 'tainted' kernel to be almost in the same category as
> saying that if we configure and build our own kernels, then we are alone
> and you don't want to hear about it.
>
> Yes, there is a rather large difference in actual fact, but if I come to
There's indeed a big difference. That's why people ask for your .config and for
the changes you made to your kernel (especially in cases like `Hi, the kernel
crashes with my newly written driver').
> the list with a firewire or usb problem, we should be capable of
> divorcing the fact that I may also be using an ati or nvidia supplied
> driver from the firewire or usb problem at hand.
You can divorce it by not loading the binary-only driver(s) and reproducing the
problem.
> I am not in fact using the ati driver with my 9200SE, as the in-kernel as
> its plenty good enough for that I do, but that's the point. To
> automaticly deny supplying what might be helpfull suggestions just
> because the user has a 'tainted' kernel strikes me as being pretty darned
> hypocritical, particularly when the user states he has reverted but this
> instant problem persists.
Then the kernel is no longer tainted, right?
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-12-17 11:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-15 23:56 GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] karderio
2006-12-16 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 1:27 ` Alan
2006-12-16 1:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 3:59 ` jdow
2006-12-16 17:08 ` David Nicol
2006-12-20 19:46 ` Lord of the code! [was: GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19]] Steven Rostedt
2006-12-20 20:27 ` alan
2006-12-16 2:32 ` GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] karderio
2006-12-16 2:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 6:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-12-16 10:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-12-16 10:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-12-16 11:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-12-16 15:15 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-17 11:04 ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2006-12-16 16:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 14:42 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-16 16:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-12-16 20:23 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-16 21:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-12-16 16:54 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-12-16 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 16:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-12-16 17:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 18:33 ` Dave Jones
2006-12-17 1:56 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-17 3:06 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-17 20:23 ` Gerhard Mack
2006-12-21 19:39 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-18 21:04 ` karderio
2006-12-18 22:05 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-18 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 22:42 ` Scott Preece
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-22 11:48 Niklas Steinkamp
2006-12-18 2:43 Brendan Scott
2006-12-16 18:27 Ricardo Galli
2006-12-16 21:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17 0:22 ` Ricardo Galli
2006-12-17 4:10 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-13 19:52 [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19 Greg KH
2006-12-13 20:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-13 20:38 ` Michael K. Edwards
2006-12-13 21:02 ` Greg KH
2006-12-13 21:32 ` Martin Bligh
2006-12-13 21:47 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-13 22:09 ` GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Greg KH
2006-12-14 0:32 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14 0:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2006-12-14 0:55 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14 1:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 1:08 ` Michael K. Edwards
2006-12-14 1:30 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-12-14 1:58 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14 4:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 5:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-12-14 6:01 ` Hua Zhong
2006-12-14 11:14 ` Alan
2006-12-14 11:31 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2006-12-14 12:42 ` Alan
2006-12-14 12:54 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2006-12-14 16:59 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14 18:26 ` Alan
2006-12-14 21:16 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14 12:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-14 13:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-14 17:17 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 10:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-14 8:03 ` James Morris
2006-12-14 15:39 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-14 20:08 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-15 14:05 ` Paolo Ornati
2006-12-17 10:11 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-17 10:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-12-19 12:57 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-19 13:56 ` Diego Calleja
2006-12-19 16:46 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-19 17:11 ` Bill Nottingham
2006-12-19 17:24 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-19 17:13 ` Diego Calleja
2006-12-20 5:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-20 19:29 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-20 20:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-20 21:10 ` alan
2006-12-21 15:34 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-21 16:43 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-21 19:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-24 3:11 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-20 4:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-12-14 13:07 ` Dave Jones
2006-12-14 15:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-14 16:11 ` Dave Jones
2006-12-14 16:31 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-14 15:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-12-14 17:20 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-14 14:12 ` Ben Collins
2006-12-14 15:10 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-12-14 16:09 ` Dave Jones
2006-12-14 16:36 ` Ben Collins
2006-12-14 17:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-14 19:29 ` Michael Buesch
2006-12-14 20:19 ` Ben Collins
2006-12-14 7:24 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-12-14 8:21 ` David Woodhouse
2006-12-14 11:25 ` Alan
2006-12-14 14:53 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-14 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 17:33 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-14 18:01 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-12-14 18:12 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-14 18:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 18:30 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-14 9:34 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-12-24 11:57 ` Mark Hounschell
2006-12-24 13:22 ` Sean
2006-12-24 14:42 ` Mark Hounschell
2006-12-14 10:49 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-12-14 13:04 ` Dave Jones
2006-12-14 13:46 ` Ben Collins
2006-12-14 17:21 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-14 17:49 ` Ben Collins
2006-12-14 15:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 17:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 17:08 ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 17:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 17:52 ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 18:09 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-14 18:15 ` Eric Sandeen
2006-12-14 18:39 ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 19:42 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-14 19:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-15 10:13 ` Eduard Bloch
2006-12-15 17:44 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 10:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-18 17:05 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-14 19:49 ` Hua Zhong
2006-12-17 10:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-14 16:17 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-14 16:33 ` Alan
2006-12-14 16:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-14 17:17 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-14 18:18 ` Alan
2006-12-14 19:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-21 15:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-23 11:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-23 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-24 1:07 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-14 5:10 ` Bill Nottingham
2006-12-14 8:48 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14 14:02 ` Rik van Riel
2006-12-14 15:42 ` Chris Friesen
2006-12-14 15:47 ` Alan
2006-12-14 15:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 22:21 ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-14 22:26 ` Michael Buesch
2006-12-14 22:39 ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-14 22:45 ` Michael Buesch
2006-12-14 19:32 ` Bill Nottingham
2006-12-14 5:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-12-14 7:54 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-14 8:21 ` David Woodhouse
2006-12-14 10:36 ` Alan
2006-12-14 14:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-12-24 14:27 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-24 19:59 ` Dmitry Torokhov
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