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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	elic@nvidia.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH] vdpa/mlx5: set_features should allow reset to zero
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:51:08 +0800
Message-ID: <cdd72199-ac7b-cc8d-2c40-81e43162c532@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210228162306-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>


On 2021/3/1 5:25 上午, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 04:19:16PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> On 2021/2/26 2:53 上午, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:36:07PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> On 2021/2/24 7:12 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 17:29:07 +0800
>>>>> Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021/2/23 6:58 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:31:07 +0800
>>>>>>> Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021/2/23 6:04 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:46:20 +0800
>>>>>>>>> Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021/2/23 下午5:25, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 09:09:28AM -0800, Si-Wei Liu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/21/2021 8:14 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021/2/19 7:54 下午, Si-Wei Liu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Commit 452639a64ad8 ("vdpa: make sure set_features is invoked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for legacy") made an exception for legacy guests to reset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features to 0, when config space is accessed before features
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are set. We should relieve the verify_min_features() check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and allow features reset to 0 for this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's worth noting that not just legacy guests could access
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config space before features are set. For instance, when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is advertised some modern driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will try to access and validate the MTU present in the config
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space before virtio features are set.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This looks like a spec violation:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following driver-read-only field, mtu only exists if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set. This field specifies the maximum MTU for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we really want to workaround this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't the commit 452639a64ad8 itself is a workaround for legacy guest?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the point is, since there's legacy guest we'd have to support, this
>>>>>>>>>>>> host side workaround is unavoidable. Although I agree the violating driver
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be fixed (yes, it's in today's upstream kernel which exists for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> while now).
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh  you are right:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> static int virtnet_validate(struct virtio_device *vdev)
>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>               if (!vdev->config->get) {
>>>>>>>>>>>                       dev_err(&vdev->dev, "%s failure: config access disabled\n",
>>>>>>>>>>>                               __func__);
>>>>>>>>>>>                       return -EINVAL;
>>>>>>>>>>>               }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>               if (!virtnet_validate_features(vdev))
>>>>>>>>>>>                       return -EINVAL;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>               if (virtio_has_feature(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU)) {
>>>>>>>>>>>                       int mtu = virtio_cread16(vdev,
>>>>>>>>>>>                                                offsetof(struct virtio_net_config,
>>>>>>>>>>>                                                         mtu));
>>>>>>>>>>>                       if (mtu < MIN_MTU)
>>>>>>>>>>>                               __virtio_clear_bit(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU);
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why not simply fail here?
>>>>>>>>> I think both failing or not accepting the feature can be argued to make
>>>>>>>>> sense: "the device presented us with a mtu size that does not make
>>>>>>>>> sense" would point to failing, "we cannot work with the mtu size that
>>>>>>>>> the device presented us" would point to not negotiating the feature.
>>>>>>>>>>>               }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>               return 0;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And the spec says:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The driver MUST follow this sequence to initialize a device:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Reset the device.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Set the ACKNOWLEDGE status bit: the guest OS has noticed the device.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Set the DRIVER status bit: the guest OS knows how to drive the device.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Read device feature bits, and write the subset of feature bits understood by the OS and driver to the
>>>>>>>>>>> device. During this step the driver MAY read (but MUST NOT write) the device-specific configuration
>>>>>>>>>>> fields to check that it can support the device before accepting it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Set the FEATURES_OK status bit. The driver MUST NOT accept new feature bits after this step.
>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re-read device status to ensure the FEATURES_OK bit is still set: otherwise, the device does not
>>>>>>>>>>> support our subset of features and the device is unusable.
>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Perform device-specific setup, including discovery of virtqueues for the device, optional per-bus setup,
>>>>>>>>>>> reading and possibly writing the device’s virtio configuration space, and population of virtqueues.
>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Set the DRIVER_OK status bit. At this point the device is “live”.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Item 4 on the list explicitly allows reading config space before
>>>>>>>>>>> FEATURES_OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I conclude that VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set means "set in device features".
>>>>>>>>>> So this probably need some clarification. "is set" is used many times in
>>>>>>>>>> the spec that has different implications.
>>>>>>>>> Before FEATURES_OK is set by the driver, I guess it means "the device
>>>>>>>>> has offered the feature";
>>>>>>>> For me this part is ok since it clarify that it's the driver that set
>>>>>>>> the bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> during normal usage, it means "the feature
>>>>>>>>> has been negotiated".
>>>>>>>> /?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks to me the feature negotiation is done only after device set
>>>>>>>> FEATURES_OK, or FEATURES_OK could be read from device status?
>>>>>>> I'd consider feature negotiation done when the driver reads FEATURES_OK
>>>>>>> back from the status.
>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       (This is a bit fuzzy for legacy mode.)
>>>>>>> ...because legacy does not have FEATURES_OK.
>>>>>>>> The problem is the MTU description for example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The following driver-read-only field, mtu only exists if
>>>>>>>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks to me need to use "if VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set by device".
>>>>>>> "offered by the device"? I don't think it should 'disappear' from the
>>>>>>> config space if the driver won't use it. (Same for other config space
>>>>>>> fields that are tied to feature bits.)
>>>>>> But what happens if e.g device doesn't offer VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU? It looks
>>>>>> to according to the spec there will be no mtu field.
>>>>> I think so, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And a more interesting case is VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ is not offered but
>>>>>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU offered. To me, it means we don't have
>>>>>> max_virtqueue_pairs but it's not how the driver is wrote today.
>>>>> That would be a bug, but it seems to me that the virtio-net driver
>>>>> reads max_virtqueue_pairs conditionally and handles absence of the
>>>>> feature correctly?
>>>> Yes, see the avove codes:
>>>>
>>>>           if (virtio_has_feature(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU)) {
>>>>                   int mtu = virtio_cread16(vdev,
>>>>                                            offsetof(struct virtio_net_config,
>>>>                                                     mtu));
>>>>                   if (mtu < MIN_MTU)
>>>>                           __virtio_clear_bit(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU);
>>>>           }
>>>>
>>>> So it's probably too late to fix the driver.
>>>>
>>> Confused. What is wrong with the above? It never reads the
>>> field unless the feature has been offered by device.
>>
>> So the spec said:
>>
>> "
>>
>> The following driver-read-only field, max_virtqueue_pairs only exists if
>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ is set.
>>
>> "
>>
>> If I read this correctly, there will be no max_virtqueue_pairs field if the
>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ is not offered by device? If yes the offsetof() violates
>> what spec said.
>>
>> Thanks
> I think that's a misunderstanding. This text was never intended to
> imply that field offsets change beased on feature bits.
> We had this pain with legacy and we never wanted to go back there.
>
> This merely implies that without VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ the field
> should not be accessed. Exists in the sense "is accessible to driver".
>
> Let's just clarify that in the spec, job done.


Ok, agree. That will make things more eaiser.

Thanks


>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Otherwise readers (at least for me), may think the MTU is only valid
>>>>>>>> if driver set the bit.
>>>>>>> I think it would still be 'valid' in the sense that it exists and has
>>>>>>> some value in there filled in by the device, but a driver reading it
>>>>>>> without negotiating the feature would be buggy. (Like in the kernel
>>>>>>> code above; the kernel not liking the value does not make the field
>>>>>>> invalid.)
>>>>>> See Michael's reply, the spec allows read the config before setting
>>>>>> features.
>>>>> Yes, the period prior to finishing negotiation is obviously special.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe a statement covering everything would be:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The following driver-read-only field mtu only exists if the device
>>>>>>> offers VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU and may be read by the driver during feature
>>>>>>> negotiation and after VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU has been successfully
>>>>>>> negotiated."
>>>>>>>>> Should we add a wording clarification to the spec?
>>>>>>>> I think so.
>>>>>>> Some clarification would be needed for each field that depends on a
>>>>>>> feature; that would be quite verbose. Maybe we can get away with a
>>>>>>> clarifying statement?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Some config space fields may depend on a certain feature. In that
>>>>>>> case, the field exits if the device has offered the corresponding
>>>>>>> feature,
>>>>>> So this implies for !VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ && VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU, the config
>>>>>> will look like:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> struct virtio_net_config {
>>>>>>             u8 mac[6];
>>>>>>             le16 status;
>>>>>>             le16 mtu;
>>>>>> };
>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree.
>>>> So consider it's probably too late to fix the driver which assumes some
>>>> field are always persent, it looks to me need fix the spec do declare the
>>>> fields are always existing instead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>      and may be read by the driver during feature negotiation, and
>>>>>>> accessed by the driver after the feature has been successfully
>>>>>>> negotiated. A shorthand for this is a statement that a field only
>>>>>>> exists if a certain feature bit is set."
>>>>>> I'm not sure using "shorthand" is good for the spec, at least we can
>>>>>> limit the its scope only to the configuration space part.
>>>>> Maybe "a shorthand expression"?
>>>> So the questions is should we use this for all over the spec or it will be
>>>> only used in this speicifc part (device configuration).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>


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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-19 11:54 Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-21 14:44 ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-21 21:52   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-22  6:05     ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-23  9:26       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  9:48         ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23  9:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-22  4:14 ` Jason Wang
2021-02-22  7:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  1:12     ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-23  2:03       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 13:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23 19:35           ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-24  3:20             ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  5:17               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:02                 ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  6:45                 ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  6:47                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:55                     ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  7:12                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 12:40                         ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  7:17                       ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  5:04             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:04               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  6:46                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:53                   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  7:17                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                       ` <babc654d-8dcd-d8a2-c3b6-d20cc4fc554c@redhat.com>
2021-02-24  8:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  9:30                           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-28 21:30                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:53                               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24 18:24               ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-26  0:56                 ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-28 21:27                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01 18:08                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-28 21:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-28 21:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:56                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-02  9:47                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-02 10:53                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-22 17:09   ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-23  2:03     ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23  9:25     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  9:46       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23 10:17           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  9:40             ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:04         ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-02-23 10:31           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:58             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-24  9:29               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24 11:12                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-25  4:36                   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-25 13:26                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-25 18:53                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-26  8:19                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-28 21:25                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:51                           ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-03-02 12:08                             ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                               ` <5f6972fe-7246-b622-958d-9cab8dd98e21@redhat.com>
2021-03-03  8:29                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-04  8:24                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-04 13:50                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-05  3:01                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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